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i'm not aware of anyone speaking out against it, the forum might discuss it all the time but it's not like that out in the real world.

also the midrange shit allways prevails in dance music, nothing you can do about it really but just try and enjoy what you can out of it and focus on whatever you reckon is good, take influence n that innit bruv.

and blackdown does have a point, even if it sometimes seems a bit pretentious, the guy probably thought if dubstep ever took off people would love it for the depth n all that, but things turned out differently, must be a bit annoying to whitness.

I'm not sure being critical about a certain (admittedly now major) niche in the style is a particularly positive thing to do. If somebody who made quality material of this ilk came out and criticized (for example) Blackdown & Dusk's work, would that be just as valid? It's all subjective to taste and outlook. They both have their place. But being critical whilst sat in your own corner is not the way forward. I'm sure there's poor quality Burial clones out there too, it's just they're sitting in their rooms quietly chomping on falafel whilst those noisy neighbours hump away all night!

If the more midrange-led material wasn't so popular right now, would it be as criticized? I think perhaps not. Vex'd and Distance championed that sound from the get go, and they still hold respect and stature (for good reason). It's also worth noting that the production values of some of the more jump-up material has raised the bar a lot, and if its not a direction some would favour, they would rather jettison than contribute their own take by steering the ship in a positive direction for all. And sometimes, if you simply stop feelin it, whether its good or not, you move onto something that makes you buzz again. There's always people who'll take your place and vibe up the dance just as you once did.

If hardcore (an extreme sound of the time) hadn't developed out of the house scene, where would we be now? Many people criticized hardcore at that time and turned their noses up at it (saying it was noisy hedonistic nonsense for the masses), out of a mixture of snobbery and an increasing generational gap between the acid house contingent and the hardcore generation. Many of the acid house generation fled back to house (or obscurity), but those that stayed built a solid foundation that would lead to amongst other things, Jungle.

Whether people stay, go, move backwards, forwards or sideways, the future is bright all round - the evolution of bass music doesn't stop, whichever path you choose to take. For me the glass is always half full..

Kion just nailed it for me, big up bruv!

kion wrote:I'm not sure being critical about a certain (admittedly now major) niche in the style is a particularly positive thing to do. If somebody who made quality material of this ilk came out and criticized (for example) Blackdown & Dusk's work, would that be just as valid? It's all subjective to taste and outlook. They both have their place. But being critical whilst sat in your own corner is not the way forward. I'm sure there's poor quality Burial clones out there too, it's just they're sitting in their rooms quietly chomping on falafel whilst those noisy neighbours hump away all night!

If the more midrange-led material wasn't so popular right now, would it be as criticized? I think perhaps not. Vex'd and Distance championed that sound from the get go, and they still hold respect and stature (for good reason). It's also worth noting that the production values of some of the more jump-up material has raised the bar a lot, and if its not a direction some would favour, they would rather jettison than contribute their own take by steering the ship in a positive direction for all. And sometimes, if you simply stop feelin it, whether its good or not, you move onto something that makes you buzz again. There's always people who'll take your place and vibe up the dance just as you once did.

If hardcore (an extreme sound of the time) hadn't developed out of the house scene, where would we be now? Many people criticized hardcore at that time and turned their noses up at it (saying it was noisy hedonistic nonsense for the masses), out of a mixture of snobbery and an increasing generational gap between the acid house contingent and the hardcore generation. Many of the acid house generation fled back to house (or obscurity), but those that stayed built a solid foundation that would lead to amongst other things, Jungle.

Whether people stay, go, move backwards, forwards or sideways, the future is bright all round - the evolution of bass music doesn't stop, whichever path you choose to take. For me the glass is always half full..

Complaining is just going to make it worse
If you respect the music, you should have an appreciation for it.
Listen to what you like, god forbid somebody has different taste than you

I don't think any artists will openly slate someones production, that is usually reserved for reviewers, blogger's fans etc.

If my memory serves me correctly though, you yourself Joe made a comment about someones production "not being dubstep" during a review on their release no?

Kode 9's stated in an interview that he doesn't like the tearout/midrange/brutal electro sound as a SOUND.

I don't think he gives 2 flying shits what consitutes dubstep right now, though.

Who doesnt want a broad spectrum of sounds and styles in a genre? isnt that what makes a genre great? the ability to apeal to many different people with many different tastes. i for one dont really care for the real minimal or garagey styles (some tunes of that style ARE great though but as a whole not really my thing) but i think they need to be there to provide that broad apeal that makes a genre really worth any acclaim.

Alot of people say the mid range stuff sounds to much the same, wouldnt everything else sound the same if you restricted it from having any influence from other sounds or styles?

I got into electronic music through dnb and its my number one inspiration, that and hip hop, back when i made dnb i wanted to sound like what inspired me and that lead to me kinda canabalizing the sounds i was into, dubstep is great for me because now i can use my inspiration and influence from dnb and hip hop in a different genre and create what i feel is new and different, so im probably not going to lose any midrange in my production cuz thats what i like and feel the most, if someone doesnt like that than fuck it not my problem. its not anyones place to tell a producer how or where to be influenced imo. although canabalizing music isnt the way forward. i think it was photek who said your style is just what outside influences you have within a genre...i beleive that

sorry wierd tangent there but yeah...ALL STYLES FOR THE WIN!!

didnt read the entire thread so maybe this has been stated.

Last Loefah interview went off on a semi-anti-"brostep" tangent for a large section.

came close to chopping producers as well.

dq wrote:

WONK FAIL

I think Excsion, Datsik, 16Bit, Reso, Vaski & Nero are making really good music right now and they're some of my fave artists in dance music. But I also like the hessle audio and deep medi sounds. There is room for both just let what you dont like do it's thing and go to nights where they play what you wanna hear. With dubstep going in different directions its an interesting time in dance music especillay that so many Genres are melding together and new sounds are being explored.

zinc's not feeling it either.
http://twitter.com/djzinc/status/4469245167

joe muggs wrote:

chainsawclownstyle wrote:In general the people making the heavier styles are doing it in an effort to take direct aim at the head of those who make pretentious statements such as Blackdown is quoted above.

Particularly the shit about how he built the scene, and that sort of thing. I mean really?

REALLY? People are actually making tunes in order to piss particular people off? Are you sure about this?

punk

seckle wrote:zinc's not feeling it either.
http://twitter.com/djzinc/status/4469245167

That doesn't say anywhere about the sound of the music that is bandwagon dubstep. Bandwagoners are inevitable in a trending genre. Everyone is seeing this in their local markets. I was the first one in my town repping this shit and for a few years was basically the only one doing it now I hardly ever get booked. I played a party and they stuck me on early because dubstep is slow or some bullshit then every other act that night played dubstep. It is frustrating. I think this is where a lot of this comes from but there is shit all you can do about it except make yourself look like a d-bag bitching about it.

kion wrote: If hardcore (an extreme sound of the time) hadn't developed out of the house scene, where would we be now? Many people criticized hardcore at that time and turned their noses up at it (saying it was noisy hedonistic nonsense for the masses), out of a mixture of snobbery and an increasing generational gap between the acid house contingent and the hardcore generation. Many of the acid house generation fled back to house (or obscurity), but those that stayed built a solid foundation that would lead to amongst other things, Jungle.

Comparing jumpup to hardcore doesn't really work; hardcore was funky, jumpup is rigid, and one hardcore tune had more ideas than 20 wobblers, constant varying.

abZ wrote:

seckle wrote:zinc's not feeling it either.
http://twitter.com/djzinc/status/4469245167

That doesn't say anywhere about the sound of the music that is bandwagon dubstep. Bandwagoners are inevitable in a trending genre. Everyone is seeing this in their local markets. I was the first one in my town repping this shit and for a few years was basically the only one doing it now I hardly ever get booked. I played a party and they stuck me on early because dubstep is slow or some bullshit then every other act that night played dubstep. It is frustrating. I think this is where a lot of this comes from but there is shit all you can do about it except make yourself look like a d-bag bitching about it.

word. and just to clarify, its not that people are getting involved, its just that a lot of these bandwagoners are just in it for the hype and cred of being on something new. i would prefer the burial method where no one even knew who or what was going on but the music spoke for itself.

when it comes down to it, dubstep is VERY much like punk, in that it was built mainly on ETHICS more than anything else. when people come in and start disregarding these ethics just to make themselves look sweet to the general public/fans (this is different from playing stuff that people in your market enjoy) thats when the name "dubstep" gets tainted and it effects everyone else involved. because lets face it, you want a night that is PACKED but still builton quality ethics rather than bandwagon hype, which inevitably leads to phony bullshit.

If I wasn't part of this forum, like most people in the world, then I would have never heard the word "brostep".

And most of my mates are into dubstep.

I have never once had a discussion with them about brostep or the advantages or disadvantages of midrange.

We all know a good track when we hear it.

We all like good music.

Dark Reign wrote:I think Excsion, Datsik, 16Bit, Reso, Vaski & Nero are making really good music right now and they're some of my fave artists in dance music

how can you put reso in the same sentence?

he shows how it should be done

end of the day theres good & bad from both sides of the split....

i don't know why someone would slate a style....i can see why they'de slate somebody.....but some ott dubstep is amazing and some deep stuff is a bit boring...just like some deep stuff is mindblowing and some ott stuff is fucking pointless