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alphacat wrote:Karma is simple another aspect to Newtonian physics: everything you put out there will cross your path in some form again, just that you don't know when, where, or how.

"If it is not truthful and not helpful, don't say it.

If it is truthful and not helpful, don't say it.

If it is not truthful and helpful, don't say it.

If it is truthful and helpful. . . wait for the right time."

magma wrote:I don't believe in Karma on any spiritual level, but I do believe that if we all strove to act decently towards each other then "good fortune" would befall more people more of the time.

It's sort of like being a hippy only with shoes.

dreamizm wrote:

alphacat wrote:Karma is simple another aspect to Newtonian physics: everything you put out there will cross your path in some form again, just that you don't know when, where, or how.

can u explain this in another way

parson wrote:non-believers in an actual karmic structure to reality oughtta look into what science is telling us about what's really going on.

the science confirms the experiences. time and space don't even really exist. the distance between me and you is like the distance between items on my desktop. we're living in a hologram. a hologram, which apparently has a designer. a video game which apparently has rules and ways to bend the rules.

Firkles wrote:I have a tattoo of buddha between my arse cheeks....









I was trying to make a wise crack

kingldub wrote:

dreamizm wrote:

alphacat wrote:Karma is simple another aspect to Newtonian physics: everything you put out there will cross your path in some form again, just that you don't know when, where, or how.

can u explain this in another way

What goes around comes around.

d-T-r wrote:
you think something negative towards something/someone and you are setting up an opportunity for that exact emotion to arise again in the future. basically self inflicting the negative 'pain' back on yourself.

dreamizm wrote:

kingldub wrote:

dreamizm wrote:

alphacat wrote:Karma is simple another aspect to Newtonian physics: everything you put out there will cross your path in some form again, just that you don't know when, where, or how.

can u explain this in another way

What goes around comes around.

d-T-r wrote:
you think something negative towards something/someone and you are setting up an opportunity for that exact emotion to arise again in the future. basically self inflicting the negative 'pain' back on yourself.

ok i understand the belief but am looking for another way to understand it, perhaps closer to the way dTr put it..

@dTr- are u sayin this negativity has to manifest in an outcome once 'created' or thought?

I thought the traditional and simplified belief was "do sutm bad to someone, they get hurt and pass on that badness/hurt to somone else and sooner or later it u will meet someone equally hurt down the line who will just pass it back to you, completing 'the circle'. I am just looking for a deeper/more psych-emotional interpretation really

as long as we identity with the grasping and aversion of the moving mind, we produce negative emotions that are born in the gap between what is, and what we want.Actions generated from these emotions,... leave karmic traces...

karma means action. Karmic traces are the results of action which remain in the mental consciousness and influence our future. We can partially understand karmic traces if we think of them as what in the west are called tendencies in the unconscious. They are inclinations, patterns of internal and external behavior ,ingrained reactions,habitual conceptualizations . They dictate our emotional reactions to situations and our intellectual understandings as well as our characteristic emotional habits and intellectual rigidities. They create and condition every response we normally have to every element of our experience

...Any reaction to any situation, external or internal ,waking or dreaming that is rooted in grasping or aversion, leaves a trace in the mind. as karma dictates reactions, the reactions sow further seeds, which further dicates reactions and so on. This is how karma leads to more of its self.

d-T-r wrote:

dreamizm wrote:

kingldub wrote:

dreamizm wrote:

alphacat wrote:Karma is simple another aspect to Newtonian physics: everything you put out there will cross your path in some form again, just that you don't know when, where, or how.

can u explain this in another way

What goes around comes around.

d-T-r wrote:
you think something negative towards something/someone and you are setting up an opportunity for that exact emotion to arise again in the future. basically self inflicting the negative 'pain' back on yourself.

ok i understand the belief but am looking for another way to understand it, perhaps closer to the way dTr put it..

@dTr- are u sayin this negativity has to manifest in an outcome once 'created' or thought?

I thought the traditional and simplified belief was "do sutm bad to someone, they get hurt and pass on that badness/hurt to somone else and sooner or later it u will meet someone equally hurt down the line who will just pass it back to you, completing 'the circle'. I am just looking for a deeper/more psych-emotional interpretation really

i think the best explanation i've encountered and the one im tryng to verbalise, was in The tibetan yogas of dream and sleep by Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche.

from page 26

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=fWz5 ... q=&f=false

as long as we identity with the grasping and aversion of the moving mind, we produce negative emotions that are born in the gap between what is, and what we want.Actions generated from these emotions,... leave karmic traces...

karma means action. Karmic traces are the results of action which remain in the mental consciousness and influence our future. We can partially understand karmic traces if we think of them as what in the west are called tendencies in the unconscious. They are inclinations, patterns of internal and external behavior ,ingrained reactions,habitual conceptualizations . They dictate our emotional reactions to situations and our intellectual understandings as well as our characteristic emotional habits and intellectual rigidities. They create and condition every response we normally have to every element of our experience

...Any reaction to any situation, external or internal ,waking or dreaming that is rooted in grasping or aversion, leaves a trace in the mind. as karma dictates reactions, the reactions sow further seeds, which further dicates reactions and so on. This is how karma leads to more of its self.

theres more continued after that worth reading.

d-T-r wrote:...inclinations, patterns of internal and external behavior ,ingrained reactions,habitual conceptualizations . They dictate our emotional reactions to situations and our intellectual understandings as well as our characteristic emotional habits and intellectual rigidities

parson wrote:non-believers in an actual karmic structure to reality oughtta look into what science is telling us about what's really going on.

the science confirms the experiences. time and space don't even really exist. the distance between me and you is like the distance between items on my desktop. we're living in a hologram. a hologram, which apparently has a designer. a video game which apparently has rules and ways to bend the rules.

dreamizm wrote:
sAFE, exactly what i was looking for!

inclinations, patterns of internal and external behavior ,ingrained reactions,habitual conceptualizations . They dictate our emotional reactions to situations and our intellectual understandings as well as our characteristic emotional habits and intellectual rigidities

So if we change our behaviour patterns and ingrained emotive reactions to situations are we essentially changing Karma?

I have definitely looked into my ingrained/unconscious reactions to people and situations (by altering my perception of an event, which is all there is at the end of the day, and -for example- extracting the positive rather than negative) and continue to remain aware of these reactions... Am I externally influencing Karma in this respect?

The Great Way is not difficult
for those who have no preferences.
When love and hate are both absent
everything becomes clear and undisguised.
Make the smallest distinction, however,
and heaven and earth are set infinitely apart.
If you wish to see the truth
then hold no opinions for or against anything.
To set up what you like against what you dislike
is the disease of the mind.
When the deep meaning of things is not understood
the mind's essential peace is disturbed to no avail.

d-T-r wrote:
i think the mental vantage point lies in the reaction to an event as opposed to just the event its self.

rbnc wrote:

parson wrote:non-believers in an actual karmic structure to reality oughtta look into what science is telling us about what's really going on.

the science confirms the experiences. time and space don't even really exist. the distance between me and you is like the distance between items on my desktop. we're living in a hologram. a hologram, which apparently has a designer. a video game which apparently has rules and ways to bend the rules.

You're talking shit.

dreamizm wrote: Whats the saying:
"Be careful of your thoughts, for your thoughts become your words.
Be careful of your words, for your words become your actions.
Be careful of your actions, for your actions become your habits.
Be careful of your habits, for your habits become your character.
Be careful of your character, for your character becomes your destiny”

Peace