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ok which one bar of both songs are u talkin about.. or at what time, i still dont see it

braptizm wrote:ok which one bar of both songs are u talkin about.. or at what time, i still dont see it

Eh, the one thats the same chords in between the changeup bars, if you dont catch it then good on datsik... if its there, the man sees it, n has justified it before, so, thread can die now, please dont keep bumping it, it will turn into a megathread of hate, and those kill the great vibe here.

Why would you openly 'call out' on someone whos inavitive and popular as datsik?
To be honest, iu know your not trying to but it does sound like a personal Jibe at him. I get the feeling that if datsik wasnt as popular as he is, you wouldn't feel as strongly about his recycling.

I am a massive fan of oldskool Techno and most of it was made using a 909 and a juno. I am well use to hearing a 1 bar hooks looped throughout tracks and hearing people making the same kind of hooks out of bleeps so this thing with Datsik is no biggy to me.

Also, he has a good excuse that sounds real. We all make multiple copies of a tune and save them as you make changes and he may have zipped them up and just sent them out to let artist/label pick which they liked.

Depone wrote:Why would you openly 'call out' on someone whos inavitive and popular as datsik?
To be honest, iu know your not trying to but it does sound like a personal Jibe at him. I get the feeling that if datsik wasnt as popular as he is, you wouldn't feel as strongly about his recycling.

Dont owrry bud, you start sendin me recycles, n catch it, Ill call you ou too... I only posted that here cuz I didnt know how else to get @ the guy for an explanation, haha, he is big, might make it harder to get at him, but, not why Im pickin at him... the fact that hes big like that IS probably the only reason I heard those tunes one after another and noticed it though, which deosnt say anything bad about him, I am hearing the tunes arent I?

serox wrote: Also, he has a good excuse that sounds real. We all make multiple copies of a tune and save them as you make changes and he may have zipped them up and just sent them out to let artist/label pick which they liked.

Yep, thats what I said... If I sent 2 versions of the same tune or two tunes with the same hook and they both got signed, if your tryin to come up like that, eh, coulda been alot worse, at least theres some serious change and not just a STRAIGHT tune bite...

Basic A wrote:thread can die now, please dont keep bumping it, it will turn into a megathread of hate, and those kill the great vibe here.

Please dont do that too this poor Datsik, I feel so depressed when I seee the megathreads of aggy-knockin.

Bare people do this its there tune they can make them how they want

Datsik is at least imaginative with what he does to the sounds even if the actual 'melodies' aren't new. I swear there's a million dubstep tunes with identical melodies and basslines, just hammer a note for a bit, maybe go up or down a 5th every so often, no intervals or anything. Anyway that's a different argument.

I don't think musically the two tunes posted sound that similar. But I don't understand how as a producer you wouldn't get bored of all your tunes following the exact same pattern, same build ups, same progressions/drops etc.

datsik wrote:point taken.. another thread like this came up already... im suprised you would link those 2 tracks together out of any of mine... basically i have a whole new batch of tunes that should be comin out using different syles & tempos and such, but honestly all i can say is im tryin my best.. i didn't expect to make it this far, and im happy i have... but basically im just making music that I like, now that i know it matters so much to everyone else, to the point wher they will start a thread about it... i guess ill try and switch it up.. cool? (for the record i already have switched it up, its just everyone else wont really see it until the release shedule is layed out lol) but whatever, respect for speakin ur mind!

real shit

datsik wrote: but honestly all i can say is im tryin my best.. i didn't expect to make it this far, and im happy i have... but basically im just making music that I like.

respect!

therapist wrote:Datsik is at least imaginative with what he does to the sounds even if the actual 'melodies' aren't new. I swear there's a million dubstep tunes with identical melodies and basslines, just hammer a note for a bit, maybe go up or down a 5th every so often, no intervals or anything. Anyway that's a different argument.

I don't think musically the two tunes posted sound that similar. But I don't understand how as a producer you wouldn't get bored of all your tunes following the exact same pattern, same build ups, same progressions/drops etc.

Yeah, but see, no need to keep commentin this thread, let it die, please, megathread of hate gonna come because I wanted to have a chat with him bout a gripe. Over. No hate megathreads killin vibes, please, let this be an example of a cool guy justifying an industry related move too one of his fans, and move along.

Good man, Datsik is, down too earth enough to explain when he makes a buisness move like that, now leave this one alone before we get a hate fest

no hate fest bruv, relax. its a forum!

Im scared, Ive seen it happen before, dont tell me you havent ... haha... search for one of the brostep arguement megathreads... you say somethin thats kinda controversial n people wont read ANY of your post, n just start rantin, n then people will rant back at that idiot, n what started as me tryin to get a question asked cuz I know Datsik chills here will turn into a huge arguement...

Meh, proceed PEACEFULLY then guys...

. i agree. it was a simple argument. and of course, youre going to get 3,000 different opinions. but its all good.

big upp!

christthetiger wrote: . i agree. it was a simple argument. and of course, youre going to get 3,000 different opinions. but its all good.

big upp!

im just glad it got knocked out quick lol, so people dont have too weed through the bullshit too get to his response. figured the topic title would get it done with though, lol

datsik wrote:point taken.. another thread like this came up already... im suprised you would link those 2 tracks together out of any of mine... basically i have a whole new batch of tunes that should be comin out using different syles & tempos and such, but honestly all i can say is im tryin my best.. i didn't expect to make it this far, and im happy i have... but basically im just making music that I like, now that i know it matters so much to everyone else, to the point wher they will start a thread about it... i guess ill try and switch it up.. cool? (for the record i already have switched it up, its just everyone else wont really see it until the release shedule is layed out lol) but whatever, respect for speakin ur mind!

Massive Big-Ups to the guy for

a) The fucking amazing tunes

b) Being such a down to earth, honest, straight up man!!


Legend!!

Basic A wrote: Im just stuck on those hook chords, but, I guess like deadly said it was a time period move with variations, its a catchy style...

... its about using the same hook bit through the same patch for two tunes, which int hard too miss there, and its completely understandable that if you send out multiple version of a tune too different labels, n your tryin to get your name up, too sign all the contracts that come your way.

Forgive my ignorance. What is a hook?

tylerblue wrote:

Basic A wrote: Im just stuck on those hook chords, but, I guess like deadly said it was a time period move with variations, its a catchy style...

... its about using the same hook bit through the same patch for two tunes, which int hard too miss there, and its completely understandable that if you send out multiple version of a tune too different labels, n your tryin to get your name up, too sign all the contracts that come your way.

Forgive my ignorance. What is a hook?

Ill forgive your innocence when I havent posted a definition... which in this case, I and I think someone else already have defined it. So nope. Noones forgiving you.

EZ though dude, think the main riff of a tune, the like, bar or two worth of note pattern that makes the tune...

I'm not a huge fan of his tunes, but I have massive respect for Datsik for the way he answers criticism of his work on this forum

Basic A -

I know you want this thread to die... but to be fair, if you were so concerned about it - you would not have started a thread on a public forum entitled "Datsik, I got a bone to pick with you..."

If you didn't want it to be a public thing, you could have just dropped him a PM or something. But, regardless what you say your intentions were, the appearance is that you wanted to smear him publicly about some minor detail that could have been solved by you just not buying the record.

I completely understand Datsik's reasons, but I don't at all understand yours....

Cuz I kinda wanted too see if Im the only one who noticed it or not, becasue really, they are both alright tunes, even if I wouldnt play em in a set together, and judging by all the 'i dont see its' its gettin, I see the audience really probably wouldnt care if I dropped em back to back for gods sake, much less in seperate mix points...

N the man should take it as a BIG UP people listen with that kinda detail, and also, on that note, a pretty big one that he was creative enough in his incedentals and atmospherics that people dont notice the noting...

Its like a sociology experiment and a question, in one... lets me see if anyone else catches it, casue from a DJ perspective, you n I both know Mad Ep, its not about what we hear in it, cuz we listen to the tracks different then those on the dancefloors or on the other end of the airwave. This place is always awesome to gauge how the mass will see something, n if I put those two tunes right next too each other n the mass doesnt see what the dj does, its a good show on the tracks.