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Re: Things to try on just a sine wav sub?
Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 9:05 am
by spherix
mine are usually just a sine with maybe a layered deep square wav
try using the rapture synth? i can send you some patches for various vsts if you needs.
Re: Things to try on just a sine wav sub?
Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 10:12 am
by cixxxj
2 sine waves, try one fixed frequency and play a note on the tuned one till you get something "musical" or the tone you've been looking for. Sample it, start the madness!!
Re: Things to try on just a sine wav sub?
Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 10:37 am
by serox
Project_B wrote:Yao,
Wondering if anyones got any tips on how to spice up a sinewave sub. I look at producers like Sigha and Spherix and their subs are so deep and warm. I can somtimes get the warmth into the sub using harmonics from other sounds but they never sound as deep. Mine sound too clean and crisp, its hard to explain.
Any tips, ideas or techniques that can be offered?
PS: Not looking for a wobble. Thought i'd throw that out there.
Anything.
Try different FX orders! try using different Filters before each FX. Try things you have not tried before:)
Re: Things to try on just a sine wav sub?
Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 10:59 am
by Basic A
Saturate to shit, compress
Distort to shit, compress again...
Watch the little rolling wav display at the top of FL, and use a lowpass filter to get the mangley mess as close to sine wave as you can again, but with some of the little fuzzies remaining...
Compress again...
IDK? Works for me sometimes...
Re: Things to try on just a sine wav sub?
Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 11:01 am
by Bullshit
Saturate, lowpass & glide = Fat sub, simple.
Re: Things to try on just a sine wav sub?
Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 11:06 am
by Simbaa
grooki wrote:I also like to alter the pitch envelope so each note will move semi tone (or even less) - it gives the sub a moving sinister sort of feel. What is also great for a swinging sort of feeling is to have the volume envelope so that the note starts half a second late or so - this sounds particularly good on tracks where there is a close kick - sub relationship
this. tried it, sounds amazing
Re: Things to try on just a sine wav sub?
Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 12:34 pm
by paradigm_x
High pass filter at around 200Hz.
Re: Things to try on just a sine wav sub?
Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 12:36 pm
by Basic A
paradigm x wrote:High pass filter at around 200Hz.
How is this gonna do anything to a straight sine sub?
Sine subs only take up 1 (count em) 1, frequency... Highpassing it, cant do much of anything, can it?
Re: Things to try on just a sine wav sub?
Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 12:42 pm
by Bullshit
paradigm x wrote:High pass filter at around 200Hz.
lulz. Actually ****** at that.
I'm such a geek.
Re: Things to try on just a sine wav sub?
Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 1:29 pm
by jsills
1. compression is key
2. we put all subs in mono
Re: Things to try on just a sine wav sub?
Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 3:19 pm
by Project_B
Lots more goodies posted here, I like the idea of compressing then filtering back again. Defiantly going to try this out.
Cheers everyone, expect more audio soon....
Re: Things to try on just a sine wav sub?
Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 5:45 pm
by nowaysj
Basic A, you are a trip bro.
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Can someone tell me semi scientifically why compressing a sin sub is important?
Re: Things to try on just a sine wav sub?
Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 6:03 pm
by paradigm_x
nowaysj wrote:Basic A, you are a trip bro.
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Can someone tell me semi scientifically why compressing a sin sub is important?
pointless. it has a constant RMS. It just makes it louder (ie sounds better on the face of it) or distorts it slightly. just turn it up
unless its got some envelopes on it, in which case just mod the envelope... or a sample (eg 808) which is reasonable i suppose...
never comp subs tbh.
Re: Things to try on just a sine wav sub?
Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 6:05 pm
by paradigm_x
Basic A wrote:paradigm x wrote:High pass filter at around 200Hz.
How is this gonna do anything to a straight sine sub?
Sine subs only take up 1 (count em) 1, frequency... Highpassing it, cant do much of anything, can it?
try it
bare filth
Re: Things to try on just a sine wav sub?
Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 12:21 am
by slothrop
paradigm x wrote:nowaysj wrote:Basic A, you are a trip bro.
**************
Can someone tell me semi scientifically why compressing a sin sub is important?
pointless. it has a constant RMS. It just makes it louder (ie sounds better on the face of it) or distorts it slightly. just turn it up
unless its got some envelopes on it, in which case just mod the envelope... or a sample (eg 808) which is reasonable i suppose...
never comp subs tbh.
The distortion is the interesting part. Yeah, pure compression will just turn it up or down or slightly tweak the envelope shape, but 'character' compressors bring in a bit of distortion which a lot of people like.
Re: Things to try on just a sine wav sub?
Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 12:31 am
by silentk
paradigm x wrote:Basic A wrote:paradigm x wrote:High pass filter at around 200Hz.
How is this gonna do anything to a straight sine sub?
Sine subs only take up 1 (count em) 1, frequency... Highpassing it, cant do much of anything, can it?
try it
bare filth
I find a bandpassing your sub around 700Hz automated with a Square wave lfo sync'd to 1/16T works aswell, shit really goes off in the club
It's the same technique Usher and Lil' John use... there's a video on one of the old CM discs, i can try and dig it out if you want?
Re: Things to try on just a sine wav sub?
Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 12:48 am
by stappard
Basic A wrote:Saturate to shit, compress
Distort to shit, compress again...
Watch the little rolling wav display at the top of FL, and use a lowpass filter to get the mangley mess as close to sine wave as you can again, but with some of the little fuzzies remaining...
Compress again...
IDK? Works for me sometimes...
All that processing on a sub seems counterintuitive to what a sub needs to be.
I just whack a saturator on it with a preset I've made for subs, adjust the level so its no higher than -12 and I'm set.
For me the character of the sub is all in the ADSR and lfo-volume.
Re: Things to try on just a sine wav sub?
Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 1:40 am
by mindkontrolultra
do nothing.... then resample and chop to beat
Re: Things to try on just a sine wav sub?
Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 1:46 am
by zitanb
Nice thread - will try some of these ideas out.
Re: Things to try on just a sine wav sub?
Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 7:12 am
by spherix
also regarding the first post and working with sigha, some of the basses we used in our collabs i ran into my reel to reel for tape saturation and what not, then resampled in again.
tapse is king for removing unwanted freqs in the high end and warming up the low end.