deadly habit wrote:you can layer a sine wave under an 808 you know
Yeh but thats just for sub, I am not on about the sub!
I am on about the KICK sound, not the BOOM!
Check it out compared to an 808, you need good speakers/ears to hear the difference!
oh i know there are loads of diff kicks avail from the 808
like i always say... tape 808 pack is best investment you can make unless you get get hands on with an 808
Re: Is this just an 808? (Macc where are you?)
Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 2:19 pm
by deadly_habit
ah ok i get what your after now!
my bad
do it clean minus the impact then envelope mod it
then process again
of that doesn't make sense to you i'll do up a tutorial
Re: Is this just an 808? (Macc where are you?)
Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 2:22 pm
by serox
deadly habit wrote:
oh i know there are loads of diff kicks avail from the 808
like i always say... tape 808 pack is best investment you can make unless you get get hands on with an 808
I got em.
They are not hitting the same top frequency's like this.
Cant you hear how its different??
An 808 does not have the punch like this at all its lower.
As far as I know an 808 is a sine wave that starts high and then goes down low real fast right? this hit sounds like it starts higher than a normal 808 kick
Re: Is this just an 808? (Macc where are you?)
Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 2:22 pm
by jsills
deadly habit wrote:ah ok i get what your after now!
my bad
do it clean minus the impact then envelope mod it
then process again
of that doesn't make sense to you i'll do up a tutorial
^^ now im lost
Re: Is this just an 808? (Macc where are you?)
Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 2:24 pm
by deadly_habit
jsills wrote:
deadly habit wrote:ah ok i get what your after now!
my bad
do it clean minus the impact then envelope mod it
then process again
of that doesn't make sense to you i'll do up a tutorial
^^ now im lost
essentially waveshaping if that makes sense to you
Re: Is this just an 808? (Macc where are you?)
Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 2:25 pm
by serox
deadly habit wrote:ah ok i get what your after now!
my bad
do it clean minus the impact then envelope mod it
then process again of that doesn't make sense to you i'll do up a tutorial
Minus the impact, so either filter down or attack up right?
envelope mod it?
Re: Is this just an 808? (Macc where are you?)
Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 2:27 pm
by serox
deadly habit wrote:
jsills wrote:
deadly habit wrote:ah ok i get what your after now!
my bad
do it clean minus the impact then envelope mod it
then process again
of that doesn't make sense to you i'll do up a tutorial
^^ now im lost
essentially waveshaping if that makes sense to you
All 'I know is 'shaping' it sounds about right
Its like it has some serious thumping KICK at the start that is not found on a standard 808. It then has the boom tail that is the sub and shakes the room, that bit is easy.
But the first THUMP kick sound I cannot work out.
Re: Is this just an 808? (Macc where are you?)
Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 2:27 pm
by deadly_habit
serox wrote:
deadly habit wrote:ah ok i get what your after now!
my bad
do it clean minus the impact then envelope mod it
then process again of that doesn't make sense to you i'll do up a tutorial
Minus the impact, so either filter down or attack up right?
envelope mod it?
yes attack etc gah i'll do up a proper tutorial after my work shift and when i'm sober
what daw you using man?
Re: Is this just an 808? (Macc where are you?)
Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 2:29 pm
by serox
deadly habit wrote:
yes attack etc gah i'll do up a proper tutorial after my work shift and when i'm sober
what daw you using man?
Daw shouldnt matter imo but I am on FL or Reason.
I you saying play with the ADSR?
Even with the attack all the way down it does not have that thump.
The closest thing to it is the 909 kick for that punch imo.
Re: Is this just an 808? (Macc where are you?)
Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 2:32 pm
by deadly_habit
serox wrote:
deadly habit wrote:
yes attack etc gah i'll do up a proper tutorial after my work shift and when i'm sober
what daw you using man?
Daw shouldnt matter imo but I am on FL or Reason.
I you saying play with the ADSR?
Even with the attack all the way down it does not have that thump.
The closest thing to it is the 909 kick for that punch imo.
then layer that up
it prolly isnt just an 808, but if you want to make it purely out of an 808 i can do up a tut
Re: Is this just an 808? (Macc where are you?)
Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 2:35 pm
by serox
deadly habit wrote:
then layer that up
it prolly isnt just an 808, but if you want to make it purely out of an 808 i can do up a tut
Well, an 808 kicks ass on a rig every time. But this extra punch makes it even better:)
I have tried using a 909 with a lp 808 but its not as good.
This sounds so smooth like it is just one single hit imo.
I would be interested in hearing some ways of trying to give it more punch.
sorry for the confusion with 'punch' and 'boom' lol
Re: Is this just an 808? (Macc where are you?)
Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 2:39 pm
by deadly_habit
serox wrote:
deadly habit wrote:
then layer that up
it prolly isnt just an 808, but if you want to make it purely out of an 808 i can do up a tut
Well, an 808 kicks ass on a rig every time. But this extra punch makes it even better:)
I have tried using a 909 with a lp 808 but its not as good.
This sounds so smooth like it is just one single hit imo.
I would be interested in hearing some ways of trying to give it more punch.
sorry for the confusion with 'punch' and 'boom' lol
well when you are layering pre filtering are you enveloping both sounds into one coherent sound?
Re: Is this just an 808? (Macc where are you?)
Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 2:53 pm
by serox
deadly habit wrote:
well when you are layering pre filtering are you enveloping both sounds into one coherent sound?
I dont know what you mean exactly so probably not!
Do you export the sound and then do something else to the sound as one?
Re: Is this just an 808? (Macc where are you?)
Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 2:55 pm
by deadly_habit
serox wrote:
deadly habit wrote:
well when you are layering pre filtering are you enveloping both sounds into one coherent sound?
I dont know what you mean exactly so probably not!
Do you export the sound and then do something else to the sound as one?
not necessarily i gen envelope my layers so it sounds like one sound then send to a group buss and process from there
Re: Is this just an 808? (Macc where are you?)
Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 2:56 pm
by serox
deadly habit wrote:
not necessarily i gen envelope my layers so it sounds like one sound then send to a group buss and process from there
and how do you do that? export the sounds together then import into a sampler?
Re: Is this just an 808? (Macc where are you?)
Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 3:01 pm
by deadly_habit
sorry been ages since i used fl and prolly possible
c&s masterclass shows basics of enveloping and way i do drums
hard to explain it outside of cubase sine audio editing is a pain in fl which is why i changed over
Re: Is this just an 808? (Macc where are you?)
Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 3:03 pm
by serox
deadly habit wrote:sorry been ages since i used fl and prolly possible c&s masterclass shows basics of enveloping and way i do drums
hard to explain it outside of cubase sine audio editing is a pain in fl which is why i changed over
Where can I see this? maybe I do it already in other areas but just dont know follow what you mean
Re: Is this just an 808? (Macc where are you?)
Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 3:06 pm
by deadly_habit
Re: Is this just an 808? (Macc where are you?)
Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 3:11 pm
by serox
deadly habit wrote:
Whats this got to do with anything?:) they are going over basic EQing
Re: Is this just an 808? (Macc where are you?)
Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 3:15 pm
by deadly_habit
serox wrote:
deadly habit wrote:
Whats this got to do with anything?:) they are going over basic EQing
heh watch whole thing
been a min since i seen it might not be theirs
as i recall they are using like 10 layers of drum hits for that beat
covers basic enveloping and eq work too
now im lost 
