pkay wrote:I think overall Dubstep is generally not a vocal oriented genre (obviously some exceptions, but for the most part). Putting a structured song (not just a one off vocal sample) is very iffy with dubstep to begin with. Now if those vocals are from some tune currently charting on mtv or radio one then you're walking a very very fine line. It's really easy to fall into the gimmick category.
Thus why you can count the number of really good dubstep pop/hip hop remixes on one hand.
listen to breakage's album and then tell me that.
Re: Is Remixing tunes looked down upon?
Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 6:58 pm
by elibomyekip
kuma wrote:Like with any bootleg, which is essentially what you're referring to, it's all about contextual application.
A piece of shit is a piece of shit no matter how you attempt to shine it up.
However.
A good tune approached with a certain amount of verve, swerve and honesty will likely do well across the board, see Mala's refix of Alicia.
Not really -
Re: Is Remixing tunes looked down upon?
Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 7:14 pm
by aleks zen
at the end of the day its all about balance. if the tunes sick, its sick... but if the producer has blatently taken a large amount of the tune and... just added a snare... then u got a good reason to look down on it. remixes r different from original productions imo, cos ur judging more how the producer manipulated the original production into a new piece. i think simply if the producer has made a lotta changes and it sounds sick, then fair play to em.
Re: Is Remixing tunes looked down upon?
Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 9:33 pm
by pkay
SketchyDub wrote:
pkay wrote:I think overall Dubstep is generally not a vocal oriented genre (obviously some exceptions, but for the most part). Putting a structured song (not just a one off vocal sample) is very iffy with dubstep to begin with. Now if those vocals are from some tune currently charting on mtv or radio one then you're walking a very very fine line. It's really easy to fall into the gimmick category.
Thus why you can count the number of really good dubstep pop/hip hop remixes on one hand.
listen to breakage's album and then tell me that.
Did you miss the first sentence when I used words like "generally" and "obviously some exceptions" ??
Re: Is Remixing tunes looked down upon?
Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 10:20 pm
by cosmic_surgeon
Remixes can be pretty sweet, but if you're gonna do one then you better have the skillzz to do the original some justice. For me it's the Mt Eden "Archangel" remix which is the paradigmatic example of a shitty attempt which doesn't do the original any justice - and even sorta insults it.
Re: Is Remixing tunes looked down upon?
Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 10:31 pm
by boogiemeister
remixing songs is prevalent is pretty much any electronic genre. There's good and bad remixes everywhere, I don't see how Dubstep is different in that field to for example Breakbeat. Of course, a remix of a currently popular tune can be fall into the crazy frog category but that doesn't take away from the fact there's enough quality remixes out and about.
Re: Is Remixing tunes looked down upon?
Posted: Sat Apr 17, 2010 10:38 am
by ninjastepnz
cosmic surgeon wrote:Remixes can be pretty sweet, but if you're gonna do one then you better have the skillzz to do the original some justice. For me it's the Mt Eden "Archangel" remix which is the paradigmatic example of a shitty attempt which doesn't do the original any justice - and even sorta insults it.
Mt. Eden did a remix of Archangel??? I think I just died inside a little. In a very VERY bad way.
Edit: Just listened to it.. and i'm scarred for life
Re: Is Remixing tunes looked down upon?
Posted: Sat Apr 17, 2010 11:06 am
by Phyalow
ninjastepnz wrote:
cosmic surgeon wrote:Remixes can be pretty sweet, but if you're gonna do one then you better have the skillzz to do the original some justice. For me it's the Mt Eden "Archangel" remix which is the paradigmatic example of a shitty attempt which doesn't do the original any justice - and even sorta insults it.
Mt. Eden did a remix of Archangel??? I think I just died inside a little. In a very VERY bad way.
Edit: Just listened to it.. and i'm scarred for life
Im mortified that I live in Mt Eden (yes he named himself after a suburb / hill)
Re: Is Remixing tunes looked down upon?
Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 6:31 am
by saha
ninjastepnz wrote:
cosmic surgeon wrote:Remixes can be pretty sweet, but if you're gonna do one then you better have the skillzz to do the original some justice. For me it's the Mt Eden "Archangel" remix which is the paradigmatic example of a shitty attempt which doesn't do the original any justice - and even sorta insults it.
Mt. Eden did a remix of Archangel??? I think I just died inside a little. In a very VERY bad way.
Edit: Just listened to it.. and i'm scarred for life
i second this...
that mt eden archangel remix is absolutely shithouse.
theres an unwritten law when it comes to touching tracks of that stature imo.
Re: Is Remixing tunes looked down upon?
Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 7:53 am
by Seda
kuma wrote:Like with any bootleg, which is essentially what you're referring to, it's all about contextual application.
A piece of shit is a piece of shit no matter how you attempt to shine it up.
However.
A good tune approached with a certain amount of verve, swerve and honesty will likely do well across the board, see Mala's refix of Alicia.
Exception: Brittany Spears - Toxic (16 Bit Remix)
They took a really shitty song and made it interesting and with purpose.
Re: Is Remixing tunes looked down upon?
Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 2:56 pm
by dubloke
saha wrote:
ninjastepnz wrote:
cosmic surgeon wrote:Remixes can be pretty sweet, but if you're gonna do one then you better have the skillzz to do the original some justice. For me it's the Mt Eden "Archangel" remix which is the paradigmatic example of a shitty attempt which doesn't do the original any justice - and even sorta insults it.
Mt. Eden did a remix of Archangel??? I think I just died inside a little. In a very VERY bad way.
Edit: Just listened to it.. and i'm scarred for life
i second this...
that mt eden archangel remix is absolutely shithouse.
theres an unwritten law when it comes to touching tracks of that stature imo.
that archangel remix is absolutely dire. I cant believe someone had the nerve to remix it
Re: Is Remixing tunes looked down upon?
Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 3:50 am
by Ayatollah
Seda wrote:
kuma wrote:Like with any bootleg, which is essentially what you're referring to, it's all about contextual application.
A piece of shit is a piece of shit no matter how you attempt to shine it up.
However.
A good tune approached with a certain amount of verve, swerve and honesty will likely do well across the board, see Mala's refix of Alicia.
Exception: Brittany Spears - Toxic (16 Bit Remix)
They took a really shitty song and made it interesting and with purpose.
The remix is of Yael Naim's cover, not the original song. She reworked the song beautifully, 16 Bit basically just put a wobble over it.
Don't get me wrong, I like 16 Bit's version, but it's unfair to give them that much credit.
Re: Is Remixing tunes looked down upon?
Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 4:18 am
by Seda
Ayatollah wrote:
Seda wrote:
kuma wrote:Like with any bootleg, which is essentially what you're referring to, it's all about contextual application.
A piece of shit is a piece of shit no matter how you attempt to shine it up.
However.
A good tune approached with a certain amount of verve, swerve and honesty will likely do well across the board, see Mala's refix of Alicia.
Exception: Brittany Spears - Toxic (16 Bit Remix)
They took a really shitty song and made it interesting and with purpose.
The remix is of Yael Naim's cover, not the original song. She reworked the song beautifully, 16 Bit basically just put a wobble over it.
Don't get me wrong, I like 16 Bit's version, but it's unfair to give them that much credit.
I was unaware that it was a remix of Yael Naim's cover. I was under the impression that they had remixed it from the original. I do agree then that I cannot give them that much credit. I'll have to check out the Yael Naim cover for sure.
