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skepta carried it off at the last FWD, grime mcs can learn from him. i didn't like wiley's album/single plugs (constantly chanting 'ES-Ki_BOY', the first cut off his new album), was no need.

i still listen to that yunx&task rinse set from October 05 when jammer passed thru

I just listened to Kode9 n Wiley, nah MCs dont sound good on it. I wanted to listen to the sound, but i couldnt enjoy the sound because of Wiley spittin his lyrics. It really annoyed me. Except for Crazy D, n I accepted Skepta, it sounds good, strange enough...Maybe its what type of MC, who spits his lyrics very gentle n calm like Crazy D...

Yeah, that didn't sound so good to me. The music has got depth and texture, that kind of MCing just gets in the way. SpaceApe, CrazyD, that kind of thing works much better, it fits in with the tunes instead of just being *over* the tunes...

subframe wrote:Yeah, that didn't sound so good to me. The music has got depth and texture, that kind of MCing just gets in the way. SpaceApe, CrazyD, that kind of thing works much better, it fits in with the tunes instead of just being *over* the tunes...

EXACTLY!!

RANDOM TRIO wrote:i agree with you on crazy and pokes of course. but they host. defo need a host..not an mc.

Yeah hosts for dubstep is better imo. mcs are constantly spitting or talking over a tune so you can't really hear it. i love hatcha and crazy d, it works so well

Capsule wrote:I just listened to Kode9 n Wiley, nah MCs dont sound good on it. I wanted to listen to the sound, but i couldnt enjoy the sound because of Wiley spittin his lyrics. It really annoyed me. Except for Crazy D, n I accepted Skepta, it sounds good, strange enough...Maybe its what type of MC, who spits his lyrics very gentle n calm like Crazy D...

the reason it works with crazy d is he's not in your face if you understand. hes not always talking or spitting, there are pauses so you can hear the music where an mc is pretty much constant

I thought Wiley done a wicked job on the Kode 9 show. Im not sure how it would work live coz Grime MCs are used to havin to give a performance ABOVE the music, where as Dubstep only allows an MC to give a performance WITH the music (people ball for lyrics in Grime dances and ball for tune in Dubstep raves).

Grime MCs have to re-learn their strategies when they're over this shit live, but on pirate radio it works a treat- Wiley was feelin the music Kodes was flingin and thats what's important- a meeting of minds between MC and DJ.

It'll work if Grime MC's respect the music, which it appears they do, at least Wiley seems to.

I thought Kode 9 was on a hype when he said Dubstep purists didnt like vocals on their music but it looks like there's a few of u though still.

I see it like this- if an MC likes the music and aint jus on a hype-ting he can pick up mic and chat on that if he really wants to

But if peeps aint into it but still pick-up mic then that's when it gets bait and anyone with half-a-brain will be able to hear it aint right. I'm yet to hear that happen

daddy gee(space ape) is damn near exactly what i could want over dubstep.
i can't imagine a more perfect low, easy, vox over the deep dark dubstep.
but for grime mc's, i like all the bells and whistles of grime music. i still don't quite understand why so many people mix these types of tunes... most of the time i want to hear dubstep, i don't want grime, and vice versa.
mad respect kode 9 and daddy gee, bringin' a real new style to all this.

its about synergy for me, if grime didnt exist i wouldnt like dubstep

shit ,cuz i wrote bare slewage barz too init yu get me blud

wouldn't mind hearing that dude from faithless over dubstep...

...and incidentally we be goin into the studio next week with one of Aotearoa's top MC's

should spawn something totally different to grime cos we don't do grime over here....

...been working with a couple of chicca rappers too and turning em on to lady sov, warrior queen and MIA so as to get em away from all that US gangsta chic stuff that seems prevalent in kiwi hiphop

be well up for some grime accapellas too to chuck over some of our beats...

...just cut up the old kie and sparks fly bi accapella over one and it sounds mean

wouldn't mind hearing that dude from faithless over dubstep...


NOOOO NO NO !!!

no

subframe wrote:Yeah, that didn't sound so good to me. The music has got depth and texture, that kind of MCing just gets in the way. SpaceApe, CrazyD, that kind of thing works much better, it fits in with the tunes instead of just being *over* the tunes...

Well spoken!!!

Don't think I could say it any better!!!!!!

I rarely listen to sets with grime mc's , even if they mc over tracks I like

kinda spoils it for me!!!!

My default positition is I hate MCs no matter what. But when I saw Kode9 & Spaceape up here back in novemeber it worked well and I really enjoyed it. From what I can tell Spaceape is far more like a Dub MC (or whatever the correct term for them is) toasting over the tracks but leaving room for the music to speak for itself. From the little Grime stuff I've heard and the Kode9 & Wylie thing the other day it does seem more about the MC than the music despite Wylie's obvious enjoyment of what Kode9 was playing.

I think a good comparison for Spaceape's style is Tikiman (Paul St. Hilaire) when he does his thing with Rhythm & Sound

scoz - right on, sing-jay styles are much better suited to dubstep, a bit of melodic flow with double time changes would work much better than pure hype spittin, for example Shackleton's Cutty Ranks rmx? maybe a few collabs with 'proper' dancehall vocalists are in order??

it's not just a musical ting w grime mcs over dubstep (tho this is a major bit of the prob). it's also a attitude ting, in terms of differences between the 2 scenes - wasn't gonna post on this topic originally, but have really had enuff of skepta's gunning for crazy d. bare rudeness on plasticman show ('crazy d I'm coming 4 u - wo wo wo' etc) and even same tings on mic at fwd. all the time failing to understand general mututal respect/one love dubstep vibe. crazy doesn't cuss man in his lyrics - so what, he's meant to change up to clash skepta? bare NONsense. 'i'm gonna be the biggest mc, me..' has no place in dubstep. if grime mcs can appreciate dat AN have some repsect for old headz, then fine. if not, allow it.

I'm down on grime, anti-grime, from the first time I heard The Streets and So Solid Crew years ago. I wrote a particularly harsh review for Brainwashed of the former's first album that even had some people accusing me of being xenophobic. HA!

But I'm sorry, I come from NYC and I grew up on hip hop (among other styles) and I am very very picky about my MCs. I've dug a handful of Dizzy Rascal cuts and two of three VS cuts on the Mark One debut, but otherwise give me someone like Juakali or Spaceape or someone who UNDERSTANDS AND BREATHES THE DUB TRADITION. We need more toasters, less "emcees".

I came into dubstep because it combined my interests in dub and dance. I'm not gonna walk out of a venue if a grime MC gets on the mic, but most of the time I'm not gonna feel it at all.

streets and so solid are grime?? think you might be chucking all your uk mcs in the 1 basket mate....