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Posted: **Fri Apr 23, 2010 3:09 pm**

LTUK wrote:Don't suppose anyone could explain time signatures?

Posted: **Fri Apr 23, 2010 3:17 pm**

No those time signatures are impossible. Plus isn't any signature that has an exact ratio ie 4/4 6/6 8/8 exactly the same?

Posted: **Fri Apr 23, 2010 3:18 pm**

static_cast wrote:
Hurtdeer wrote:i released a couple of tracks that switch from 4/7 to 7/7 on twenty twelve last year. time signatures are fun
Umm, 4/7? Is that even possible?

venetian snares writes in 7/4 time to time

Posted: **Fri Apr 23, 2010 3:21 pm**

deadly habit wrote:
static_cast wrote:
Hurtdeer wrote:i released a couple of tracks that switch from 4/7 to 7/7 on twenty twelve last year. time signatures are fun
Umm, 4/7? Is that even possible?
venetian snares writes in 7/4 time to time

7/4 is very possible. 4/7 is not. You can't give an odd number as the second part of a signature.

Posted: **Fri Apr 23, 2010 3:24 pm**

Assassin wrote:
deadly habit wrote:
static_cast wrote:
Hurtdeer wrote:i released a couple of tracks that switch from 4/7 to 7/7 on twenty twelve last year. time signatures are fun
Umm, 4/7? Is that even possible?
venetian snares writes in 7/4 time to time
7/4 is very possible. 4/7 is not. You can't give an odd number as the second part of a signature.

this
also, i think writing beats in odd time signatures for the sake of it isnt going to improve your tunes

Posted: **Fri Apr 23, 2010 3:24 pm**

deadly habit wrote:
static_cast wrote:
Hurtdeer wrote:i released a couple of tracks that switch from 4/7 to 7/7 on twenty twelve last year. time signatures are fun
Umm, 4/7? Is that even possible?
venetian snares writes in 7/4 time to time

Yeah, but that's not 4/7.

4/7 = "four seventh notes per bar" --------> "seventh notes" don't exist, neither do 6th notes. Time signatures are all (any number)/(1, 2, 4, 8, 16 or 32).... but almost always (any number)/(4 or 8 ).

@Assassin: 4/4 and 8/8 have bars of the same length but imply a different feel - in 8/8 you'd count eighth notes, in 4/4 you'd count quarter notes.

I suppose if you wanted to get pedantic about it, most halftime dubstep is actually in 4/2....

Posted: **Fri Apr 23, 2010 3:29 pm**

static_cast wrote:
deadly habit wrote:
static_cast wrote:
Hurtdeer wrote:i released a couple of tracks that switch from 4/7 to 7/7 on twenty twelve last year. time signatures are fun
Umm, 4/7? Is that even possible?
venetian snares writes in 7/4 time to time
Yeah, but that's not 4/7.

4/7 = "four seventh notes per bar" --------> "seventh notes" don't exist, neither do 6th notes. Time signatures are all (any number)/(1, 2, 4, 8, 16 or 32).... but almost always (any number)/(4 or 8 ).

@Assassin: 4/4 and 8/8 have bars of the same length but imply a different feel - in 8/8 you'd count eighth notes, in 4/4 you'd count quarter notes.

I suppose if you wanted to get pedantic about it, most halftime dubstep is actually in 4/2....

That's clarified what I thought. I've had arguments with metalheads that "write" in "4/3" and "7/5", with them trying to tell me insane notes exist.

It's just people trying the sound clever.

Posted: **Fri Apr 23, 2010 5:09 pm**

4/7?!

but ya Eskmo has some crazy time signatures in his music sometimes... or check out Eskamon - fine objects.... haven't figured out what time signature(s) that is yet, crazy ass song

Posted: **Fri Apr 23, 2010 5:20 pm**

Check out this bad boy track from Coleco:

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Posted: **Sat Apr 24, 2010 2:42 pm**

Assassin wrote:
static_cast wrote:
deadly habit wrote:
static_cast wrote:
Hurtdeer wrote:i released a couple of tracks that switch from 4/7 to 7/7 on twenty twelve last year. time signatures are fun
Umm, 4/7? Is that even possible?
venetian snares writes in 7/4 time to time
Yeah, but that's not 4/7.

4/7 = "four seventh notes per bar" --------> "seventh notes" don't exist, neither do 6th notes. Time signatures are all (any number)/(1, 2, 4, 8, 16 or 32).... but almost always (any number)/(4 or 8 ).

@Assassin: 4/4 and 8/8 have bars of the same length but imply a different feel - in 8/8 you'd count eighth notes, in 4/4 you'd count quarter notes.

I suppose if you wanted to get pedantic about it, most halftime dubstep is actually in 4/2....
That's clarified what I thought. I've had arguments with metalheads that "write" in "4/3" and "7/5", with them trying to tell me insane notes exist.

It's just people trying the sound clever.

metal and alot of live band work has tempo and time signature changes which can be a bitch to emulate or recreate drum tracks for when working in a daw. why i love cubase's tempo track etc
still trying to get to grips in pro tools. making yourself sound like a real live band in edm is great, but difficult to do properly. def a fuck the dj do it for the listener thing too

Posted: **Sat Apr 24, 2010 6:25 pm**

some practical advise:
if you want your tune to be realistically mixable,
don't use 1/8 notes in the intro, only crotchets.
or write the intro in 4/4.

haha at 4/7. thats straight out of Spinal Tap.

Posted: **Sat Apr 24, 2010 6:59 pm**

sully.harmitage wrote:some practical advise:
if you want your tune to be realistically mixable,
don't use 1/8 notes in the intro, only crotchets.
or write the intro in 4/4.

haha at 4/7. thats straight out of Spinal Tap.

Disagree, I find it much easier to work out how the two tracks are sitting when there's smaller beat divisions than crotchets... to each their own!

Posted: **Sat Apr 24, 2010 7:43 pm**

I only produce dubstep at 4s and 8s for hats or snares that come in at just after a kick, I tried doing at at 1/16 and it sounded like a bad dance track.

Posted: **Sun Apr 25, 2010 3:24 am**

LTUK wrote:Don't suppose anyone could explain time signatures?

Posted: **Sun Apr 25, 2010 4:58 am**

So if I'm writing a tune in 6/8, what speed does it need to be written at to be mixable with (for example) 140 BPM 4/4? How can they be mixed together and stay in time. If 6/8 is six quavers a bar (which is equivalent to 3 crotchets), and 4/4 is four crotchets a bar, this means that each full bar of the 6/8 tune will only take three quarters of the time it takes for the 4/4 bar to cycle. So do you write the 6/8 track slower? Or do you have do ambient mixing? Or some amazing awesome other thing I haven't yet stumbled onto.

Sorry if that doesn't make sense, have been trying to figure it out for the past few days and feeling pretty stuck.

Posted: **Sun Apr 25, 2010 5:09 am**

4/4 at 140bpm will have the same length bar as 6/8 at 105bpm I think...? So if you mix a 4/4 triplet feel tune with a 6/8 105bpm it should work if your mixing is tight.

Posted: **Sun Apr 25, 2010 5:15 am**

ajfa wrote:4/4 at 140bpm will have the same length bar as 6/8 at 105bpm I think...? So if you mix a 4/4 triplet feel tune with a 6/8 105bpm it should work if your mixing is tight.

So would every 2 bars of the 6/8 tune take the same amount of time as 1 bar of 4/4?

1 & a 2 & a 1 & a 2 & a

1 2 3 4

Posted: **Sun Apr 25, 2010 6:44 am**

bigup wagawaga

Posted: **Sun Apr 25, 2010 1:27 pm**

green plan wrote:
ajfa wrote:4/4 at 140bpm will have the same length bar as 6/8 at 105bpm I think...? So if you mix a 4/4 triplet feel tune with a 6/8 105bpm it should work if your mixing is tight.
So would every 2 bars of the 6/8 tune take the same amount of time as 1 bar of 4/4?

1 & a 2 & a 1 & a 2 & a

1 2 3 4

No. It should take a third less time at 105 meaning the bars would be the same length. But at 140 it should go:

1 & 2 & 3 & 1 &(6/8)
1 & 2 & 3 & 4 &(4/4)

so basically the first beat starts on the four on the first bar. But obviously this would continually change.

So:

1 & 2 & 3 & 1 & 2 & 3 & 1 & 2 & 3 & 1 & 2 & 3 & (6/8)
1 & 2 & 3 & 4 & 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 & 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 & (4/4) (I do know this shouldn't be counted as 1/8 notes before someone gets pedantic but it's easier to type.)

So if the snare was put on the third 1/4 note as normal it would land on the third, the second, the first and the fourth before coming back again. Which I guess doesn't make it impossible but it would be a challenge.

However at 105 (6/8) mixing into 140 (4/4) it would be more of a triplet feel. For example:

1 & 2 & 3 &
1& 2& 3& 4&

Therefore it should mix well into a song with a decent triplet feel. But it also means that the third will fall late so it could still be difficult, unless you garage it up a bit.

Posted: **Sun Apr 25, 2010 6:43 pm**

Assassin wrote:
green plan wrote:
ajfa wrote:4/4 at 140bpm will have the same length bar as 6/8 at 105bpm I think...? So if you mix a 4/4 triplet feel tune with a 6/8 105bpm it should work if your mixing is tight.
So would every 2 bars of the 6/8 tune take the same amount of time as 1 bar of 4/4?

1 & a 2 & a 1 & a 2 & a

1 2 3 4
No. It should take a third less time at 105 meaning the bars would be the same length. But at 140 it should go:

1 & 2 & 3 & 1 &(6/8)
1 & 2 & 3 & 4 &(4/4)

so basically the first beat starts on the four on the first bar. But obviously this would continually change.

So:

1 & 2 & 3 & 1 & 2 & 3 & 1 & 2 & 3 & 1 & 2 & 3 & (6/8)
1 & 2 & 3 & 4 & 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 & 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 & (4/4) (I do know this shouldn't be counted as 1/8 notes before someone gets pedantic but it's easier to type.)

So if the snare was put on the third 1/4 note as normal it would land on the third, the second, the first and the fourth before coming back again. Which I guess doesn't make it impossible but it would be a challenge.

However at 105 (6/8) mixing into 140 (4/4) it would be more of a triplet feel. For example:

1 & 2 & 3 &
1& 2& 3& 4&

Therefore it should mix well into a song with a decent triplet feel. But it also means that the third will fall late so it could still be difficult, unless you garage it up a bit.

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