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Posted: **Mon May 31, 2010 8:46 pm**

^^ I couldn't understand why the IDF didn't footage of this right off, seems at least part of their story is true(!). I'm so used to outright lies from the Israeli military that their credibility is null--- not that any military reports from any country ought to be taken too seriously obviously.

No reason this had to end this way though, there really are no excuses for this kind of violence given the circumstances. It's a blatant message written in blood.

Posted: **Mon May 31, 2010 9:07 pm**

It was in international waters. Those soldiers had no right to board the ship. It's not much different from crew defending their ship from pirates. Except that the pirates here are trained commandos from a sovereign country. Did they seriously expect their invasion of the ship to go unchallenged?

Posted: **Mon May 31, 2010 9:08 pm**

kay wrote:It was in international waters. Those soldiers had no right to board the ship. It's not much different from crew defending their ship from pirates. Except that the pirates here are trained commandos from a sovereign country. Did they seriously expect their invasion of the ship to go unchallenged?

Posted: **Mon May 31, 2010 9:16 pm**

kay wrote:It was in international waters. Those soldiers had no right to board the ship. It's not much different from crew defending their ship from pirates. Except that the pirates here are trained commandos from a sovereign country. Did they seriously expect their invasion of the ship to go unchallenged?

Absolutely true, like I said, this was a message to the world

Posted: **Mon May 31, 2010 9:21 pm**

unbelievable what's happening, but actually i can't understand all your outrage. Years and years the israeli government was ignoring international law and human rights. massacres, cruelity at checkpoints, invasions, not to forget the illegal settlements. and hey, the nuclear weapons and the racism towards arabs in israel itself.

horrible!

but i don't actually know what is more horrible. the israeli government or all the other governments ignoring this happening!

Posted: **Mon May 31, 2010 9:23 pm**

vulvavibration wrote:unbelievable what's happening, but actually i can't understand all your outrage. Years and years the israeli government was ignoring international law and human rights. massacres, cruelity at checkpoints, invasions, not to forget the illegal settlements. and hey, the nuclear weapons and the racism towards arabs in israel itself.

horrible!

but i don't actually know what is more horrible. the israeli government or all the other governments ignoring this happening!

i know exactly what you mean mate, it takes some european nationals to get killed before people start to get angry, never mind the thousands of palestinians that have been killed since the start of the regime
that's what the anti middle east spin the media gives everything does to people unfortunately

Posted: **Mon May 31, 2010 9:37 pm**

vulvavibration wrote:unbelievable what's happening, but actually i can't understand all your outrage. Years and years the israeli government was ignoring international law and human rights. massacres, cruelity at checkpoints, invasions, not to forget the illegal settlements. and hey, the nuclear weapons and the racism towards arabs in israel itself

Many of us have been outraged for years man, and this incident is no exception, although the audacity of this one is somewhat remarkable... hope this starts to turn the tides, and who knows, perhaps this will wake up enough Israeli voters to throw out that bum Netanyahu and his entourage of thugs.

Posted: **Mon May 31, 2010 9:50 pm**

vulvavibration wrote:unbelievable what's happening, but actually i can't understand all your outrage.

This is merely a renewed round of outrage that's been going on for a while on here.

The Israelis have certainly done a lot of wrong things in the past. But attacking an aid convoy turns things up a notch.

Posted: **Mon May 31, 2010 9:54 pm**

Hard to believe anything these days the way media is seemingly operating...

Anyway... Charity begins at home. No one does any fucking local aid work so seems silly to complain about some fantastical land filled with foreigners. Comic relief is a jest too

(Just a brutally crude message to say I don't get why people are fixated on problems in random places of the world rather than doing anything locally, even just for the yoof)

Posted: **Mon May 31, 2010 10:05 pm**

BLAHBLAHJAH wrote:Charity begins at home. No one does any fucking local aid work

Speak for yourself man

BLAHBLAHJAH wrote:so seems silly to complain about some fantastical land filled with foreigners. Comic relief is a jest too

Posted: **Mon May 31, 2010 10:18 pm**

Nice one!

Don't wanna list my local supportive work, because it's turning into an entire waste of fucking time over the last few years, especially now I'm back in a scrotey village I've been away from for years. The people I helped 6-10 years ago have moved on without leaving any form of crops. Miraculously, none of those aided thought to help others. Is the 'helping gene' a rare trait? Why if we help people, do they become the terminal point, instead of going on to help others? Y'know... Give a man a fire vs set a man on fire....

Generations replace... stnuc come along and fill the whole of the stnuc before. To filla void with another void... etc

The human mind has the potential to collectively sort the universe, but it doesn't. I'm feeling more intelligent and educated by asking WHY rather than just being a pouring tap into a bath filled with Zyklon B

Posted: **Mon May 31, 2010 11:52 pm**

BLAHBLAHJAH wrote:Hard to believe anything these days the way media is seemingly operating...

Anyway... Charity begins at home. No one does any fucking local aid work so seems silly to complain about some fantastical land filled with foreigners. Comic relief is a jest too

(Just a brutally crude message to say I don't get why people are fixated on problems in random places of the world rather than doing anything locally, even just for the yoof)

I've never really understood this myself.

I have been wondering: Suppose we were to take all the money that's going to help people in some far-off land, and use it to sort out local issues instead such as poverty, knife crime, gangs, etc. After sorting out these issues once and for all, would we be in an even better position to help people in some far-off land? Because in theory we would be even more productive and be capable of generating more cash and aid.

Posted: **Mon May 31, 2010 11:57 pm**

throwing cash around will never be a solution to anything

Posted: **Tue Jun 01, 2010 1:45 am**

the tits wrote:throwing cash around will never be a solution to anything

This. Giving people charity isn't going to sort the deep social problems we have in this country, only a concerted effort that the upcoming dismantling of state support and social networks by our fine government will only make worse.

This event is sickening, and all the more upsetting that my own sister is swallowing Israeli spin to the point that she has labelled the BBC's reporting of the event anti-Israel! In the case of humanitarian crises, aid is essential given that these are people having to rebuild their homes where there is a shortage of building materials. That isn't what we're dealing with here at home.

The Israeli blockade means that only 25% of aid actually reaches Gaza. Unbelievable!

Posted: **Tue Jun 01, 2010 3:21 am**

feral witchchild wrote:

no offense to anyone here, but if you're beating me with a club, stabbing me, and throwing me off a boat i'll put a bullet in your skull 8 days a week

let's not be naive here... this situation went bad on both sides. It's on Israel to be the bigger group because they are a formal government.... but if this had happened in any other country where military members were being assaulted the odds of it ending much differently are slim.

Want a real tragedy? Go look at what North Korea did a few days back.

Posted: **Tue Jun 01, 2010 4:10 am**

kay wrote:It was in international waters. Those soldiers had no right to board the ship. It's not much different from crew defending their ship from pirates. Except that the pirates here are trained commandos from a sovereign country.

Posted: **Tue Jun 01, 2010 4:11 am**

the tits wrote:
kay wrote:It was in international waters. Those soldiers had no right to board the ship. It's not much different from crew defending their ship from pirates. Except that the pirates here are trained commandos from a sovereign country.

This. Though tbh there's no way this could have ended well.

Posted: **Tue Jun 01, 2010 7:06 am**

kay wrote:It was in international waters. Those soldiers had no right to board the ship. It's not much different from crew defending their ship from pirates. Except that the pirates here are trained commandos from a sovereign country. Did they seriously expect their invasion of the ship to go unchallenged?

If your army invades my ship and I'm not in your waters. You're getting stabbed with whatever I can find.

Reminds me of that Bill Hicks routine about the cattle herder from Shane...

"Pick up the gun..."

"No mister, I don't wanna pick up the gun.. you'll shoot me"

"Pick up the gun..."

*picks up gun*

*BANG*

"You saw ~~him, he had a gun~~ them, they had knives and attacked us when we tried to board their vessel"

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