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Re: england is grim
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 12:46 pm
by herbalicious
mr. lizard wrote:You disgust me.
I am from England, therefore I will be supporting England, it is part of me, it is where I grew up and it is my nationality, I can rep the flag and I will do.
Fuck all you pussies above, you deserve to be deported
Re: england is grim
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 12:46 pm
by Roflrilla
I only like the world cup for the sun, the beer, and the fighting.
Re: england is grim
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 1:10 pm
by magma
I haven't got any problem with friendly flag waving... it's good to see the St George used by people who aren't racist fucks, tbh.
Having said that, the flags on cars/houses/whatever look fucking awful. It's not like the team are here to be buoyed by the support and, well, I thought supporting England was the norm... if immigrants were driving around with their homeland's flags to say "Hey, I'm different" then I'd understand it more than putting a flag on my car that says "Yep, I'm exactly as normal as you expected".
Re: england is grim
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 1:28 pm
by Pistonsbeneath
i think the very people that say if you dont like my england flag fuck off home actually want to make foreigners uncomfortable because theyre deep down racist fucks
Re: england is grim
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 1:39 pm
by LA_Boxers
Yeah we should be have the right to put our national flag up and not be called rasict for doing it, but personally i think the whole flag thing is kinda lame.
I'll wear my brand new retro Euro 96 shirt to the pub....the new shirt is lame....but i wont be waving any flags.
We arent going to win, but i will have fun watching, and then moaning when we lose on penatlies to austrailia or sumin.
England til i die....or get bored of losing at least.
Re: england is grim
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 1:39 pm
by dubloke
I dont have a flag, but I do sometimes wear an england shirt on matchdays. I'm pretty sure they're alot more patriotic in other countries though? lol at calling someone racist for wearing a football shirt.... its a football shirt
Re: england is grim
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 1:41 pm
by mr. lizard
Pistonsbeneath wrote:i think the very people that say if you dont like my england flag fuck off home actually want to make foreigners uncomfortable because theyre deep down racist fucks
I think that if I was displaying the England flag in this country, and someone said to me that they don't like my England flag I would tell them to fuck off. That is not racism.
Re: england is grim
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 2:14 pm
by Roflrilla
mr. lizard wrote:Pistonsbeneath wrote:i think the very people that say if you dont like my england flag fuck off home actually want to make foreigners uncomfortable because theyre deep down racist fucks
I think that if I was displaying the England flag in this country, and someone said to me that they don't like my England flag I would tell them to fuck off. That is not racism.
No but if you deliberately put it up to annoy/offend people then you probably would be. In East London at least.
Re: england is grim
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 2:25 pm
by HamCrescendo
Miserable bastards
Re: england is grim
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 2:27 pm
by BLAHBLAHJAH
danrev wrote:Miserable bastards
Ayeeee!
Empty minds finding small pointless topics to worry about
Re: england is grim
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 2:43 pm
by mr. lizard
Roflrilla wrote:mr. lizard wrote:Pistonsbeneath wrote:i think the very people that say if you dont like my england flag fuck off home actually want to make foreigners uncomfortable because theyre deep down racist fucks
I think that if I was displaying the England flag in this country, and someone said to me that they don't like my England flag I would tell them to fuck off. That is not racism.
No but if you deliberately put it up to annoy/offend people then you probably would be. In East London at least.
If it offends people, then that is a bonus
Re: england is grim
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 2:47 pm
by Roflrilla
mr. lizard wrote:Roflrilla wrote:mr. lizard wrote:Pistonsbeneath wrote:i think the very people that say if you dont like my england flag fuck off home actually want to make foreigners uncomfortable because theyre deep down racist fucks
I think that if I was displaying the England flag in this country, and someone said to me that they don't like my England flag I would tell them to fuck off. That is not racism.
No but if you deliberately put it up to annoy/offend people then you probably would be. In East London at least.
If it offends people, then that is a bonus
Then you're a typical NF skinhead tnuc who probably walks around town yelling "pakis go home"
Re: england is grim
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 2:53 pm
by saphyre
Wearing a shirt is cool, but waving a flag around like some mug is just racist. why would you wave the flag of your own country in the country itself, seems kind of redundant to me unless you want to make a (racist) point
Re: england is grim
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 2:58 pm
by nicenice
This whole thread reeks of ignorance and generalisation.
If I followed football, supported a team. I would put that flag up regardless. I live in a part of London with a lot of Polish & Asians, I would not be putting my flag up to offend them, if they got offended that's their problem. I'm not going to go to France and complain that they have French flags there.
Its ok to be proud of where your from, its part of your identity. Where you are born is part of you. Just because someone claims proud to be British/English doesn't mean they're racist.
Re: england is grim
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 3:00 pm
by herbalicious
Racist? No.
Lame? Most definately yes.
Re: england is grim
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 3:01 pm
by BLAHBLAHJAH
Waving a flag isn't racist. Ironically, people saying that are the ones that are manifesting the idea... England's flag represents England and it's members. Last time I checked, plenty of 'ethnic minorities' are technically 'English' and thus just as much a part of 'England' and the flag as everyone else
Saying it's racist is counterproductive, and just shows that deep down in your mind, you're the one with the separative outlook incapable of classing different cultures as 'England'
Fuck y'all morons, clueless anti-racist campaigns are as a big a source of fuel as clueless racist campaigns
Re: england is grim
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 3:15 pm
by faust.dtc
nicenice wrote:This whole thread reeks of ignorance and generalisation.
Re: england is grim
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 3:18 pm
by saphyre
nicenice wrote:This whole thread reeks of ignorance and generalisation.
If I followed football, supported a team. I would put that flag up regardless. I live in a part of London with a lot of Polish & Asians, I would not be putting my flag up to offend them, if they got offended that's their problem. I'm not going to go to France and complain that they have French flags there.
Its ok to be proud of where your from, its part of your identity. Where you are born is part of you. Just because someone claims proud to be British/English doesn't mean they're racist.
im saying why would you represent the flag of your own country in your own country it doesnt make sense. i understand wearing a shirt. but a flag is a symbol it has a lot more meaning and connotations than a shirt. armies wave their flag when they go to war in another country, and they dont even do that anymore.
if i was to go area i just saw england flags posted up everywhere. to me thats a sinister message and i wouldnt stay too long
whereas if i saw some lads walking down the street wearing england shirts, i would be like yesss lads and keep walking.
wearing an england shirt is like wearing a dmz t shirt its just representing yourself, wearing an england shirt in england is a bit like wearing a dmz shirt to dmz, i dont think its lame it just shows youre really into it. another thing the england football team shirt is directly linked to FOOTBALL. whereas a flag is vague it could mean any number of things, remember its a powerful symbol, why do you think people still represent these england flags when its not world cup?
just look at the american flag and what kind of people over there use it, theyve even got a specific flag for racist use (confederate flag)
Re: england is grim
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 3:25 pm
by mr. lizard
Roflrilla wrote:mr. lizard wrote:Roflrilla wrote:mr. lizard wrote:Pistonsbeneath wrote:i think the very people that say if you dont like my england flag fuck off home actually want to make foreigners uncomfortable because theyre deep down racist fucks
I think that if I was displaying the England flag in this country, and someone said to me that they don't like my England flag I would tell them to fuck off. That is not racism.
No but if you deliberately put it up to annoy/offend people then you probably would be. In East London at least.
If it offends people, then that is a bonus
Then you're a typical NF skinhead tnuc who probably walks around town yelling "pakis go home"
How the fuck have you come to this conclusion?
If anyone is offended by my flag, then good because I do not have time or care for for petty / stupid people like that.
Fuck the PC parade aswell, you're worse than the racists.
Re: england is grim
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 3:25 pm
by magma
faust.dtc wrote:nicenice wrote:This whole thread reeks of ignorance and generalisation.
Prrrrty much.
Flags aren't racist any more than having white skin or a British passport is racist... of course some stnuc are racist, but then some stnuc walking around in Hyperdub t shirts are racist deep down... you just can't make those sort of sweeping assumptions.
People from all ethnic backgrounds are represented by the English flag so by definition it isn't a racial symbol... I can see how it might be argued for xenophobia, but then... I mean, the World Cup is a fucking competition... it's not the Junior Special Olympics where everyone's a fucking winner and nobody's allowed to enjoy their guys being better than the others.... one country will be crowned BEST AT FOOTBALL within a month and they're perfectly within their rights to remind everyone about it for a while.
Unless they're Portuguese, obviously.