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Re: time travel

Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:03 pm
by parson

Re: time travel

Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:04 pm
by therapist
If it was possible we'd have one by now.

Re: time travel

Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:06 pm
by parson
fractal wrote:in theory


if time is in fact linear
time is linear like a mandelbrot set is linear


Re: time travel

Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:06 pm
by parson
therapist wrote:If it was possible we'd have one by now.
try paying attention

Re: time travel

Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:09 pm
by parson
Sir Martin Rees coined the term multiverse

Re: time travel

Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:11 pm
by therapist
parson wrote:
therapist wrote:If it was possible we'd have one by now.
try paying attention
Eh? I wasn't referring to anything else that's been posted, and wasn't asking a question. You pay attention.

Re: time travel

Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:12 pm
by fractal
parson wrote:
fractal wrote:in theory


if time is in fact linear
time is linear like a mandelbrot set is linear


exactly

/thread

i believe in the multiverse. i'm of the opinion that it's nature restricts time travel, not allows it

Re: time travel

Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:13 pm
by parson
fractal wrote:
Phigure wrote:Image


pretty much

that's what happened in the philadelphia experiment

Re: time travel

Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:13 pm
by parson
therapist wrote:
parson wrote:
therapist wrote:If it was possible we'd have one by now.
try paying attention
Eh? I wasn't referring to anything else that's been posted, and wasn't asking a question. You pay attention.
the point is we have em

Re: time travel

Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:15 pm
by BLAHBLAHJAH
A whole wave of humans who lack the brains to take up science but are too proud to take up religion. Maybe that's time travel in itself

Re: time travel

Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:16 pm
by noam
yeah i understand that is in fact one theory of many regards time travel, tbh im much less sceptical about time travel than other things, examples of apparent time travel or at least movement that seemingly breaks the laws to do with the speed of light are around aren't they? like at a micro-molecular level, there are particles which come in pairs, and when separated, ones opposite seemingly jumps in and out of existence to follow its opposing half... i wish i could remember what they were called, someone will probably correct me in any case!

one thing which is confusing me slightly...

he starts off talking about how governments, people etc. aren't morally responsible to cope with the issues regarding time travel. Why? He claims to offer 40-50 reasons why, most of these i am assuming would be to do with changing the course of events here, or at least thats what im assuming most of the issues are to do with, but then he back tracks and says that in fact these paradoxes are non-existent, and you travel to other dimensions.

so the moral problems he is talking about concern other dimensions?

also there are logical problems to do with multi-dimensional theories, this whole idea sounds very much like the Lewisian philosophy of Counterpart theory and Possible World theory, which ultimately faced many problems... funnily enough this guys name is David Lewis too... hmmm

Re: time travel

Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:17 pm
by fractal
BLAHBLAHJAH wrote:A whole wave of humans who lack the brains to take up science but are too proud to take up religion. Maybe that's time travel in itself
just because no one understands what your saying doesn't necessarily mean what you're saying is deep

-Talib Kwelli

Re: time travel

Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:18 pm
by fractal
noam wrote:yeah i understand that is in fact one theory of many regards time travel, tbh im much less sceptical about time travel than other things, examples of apparent time travel or at least movement that seemingly breaks the laws to do with the speed of light are around aren't they? like at a micro-molecular level, there are particles which come in pairs, and when separated, ones opposite seemingly jumps in and out of existence to follow its opposing half... i wish i could remember what they were called, someone will probably correct me in any case!

one thing which is confusing me slightly...

he starts off talking about how governments, people etc. aren't morally responsible to cope with the issues regarding time travel. Why? He claims to offer 40-50 reasons why, most of these i am assuming would be to do with changing the course of events here, or at least thats what im assuming most of the issues are to do with, but then he back tracks and says that in fact these paradoxes are non-existent, and you travel to other dimensions.

so the moral problems he is talking about concern other dimensions?

also there are logical problems to do with multi-dimensional theories, this whole idea sounds very much like the Lewisian philosophy of Counterpart theory and Possible World theory, which ultimately faced many problems... funnily enough this guys name is David Lewis too... hmmm
yeah, that video was super vague... he just spends seven minutes telling us that stuff exists but never goes into any of it

Re: time travel

Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:20 pm
by therapist
parson wrote:
therapist wrote:
parson wrote:
therapist wrote:If it was possible we'd have one by now.
try paying attention
Eh? I wasn't referring to anything else that's been posted, and wasn't asking a question. You pay attention.
the point is we have em
No we don't.

Re: time travel

Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:22 pm
by frank grimes jr.
parson wrote:basically time travel paradoxes don't exist. you can't go back and kill your grandfather because you'll go back and kill a parallel you's grandfather in another universe. there are infinite universes.
IMO you wouldn't be able to go backwards, but you could go round the block so-to-speak.

Fuck, if I'm moving the speed of light, there is plenty more interesting than my grandfather.
I'm made of limitless energy and information at this point, and I certainly don't want to pop by the Earth for a pint anytime soon.

Re: time travel

Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:22 pm
by BLAHBLAHJAH
fractal wrote:
BLAHBLAHJAH wrote:A whole wave of humans who lack the brains to take up science but are too proud to take up religion. Maybe that's time travel in itself
just because no one understands what your saying doesn't necessarily mean what you're saying is deep

-Talib Kwelli

Sad act, just because you didn't understand it doesn't mean you can put it down as a way to elevate yourself. Seriously man, grow up

If you watched those videos parson posted it's a reference to the content of them, not intended as a deep philosophy, just small observation lightly linked to a similar standoff around the renaissance

Quoting someone stupid to try and appear clever usually works though, but not in this instance

Re: time travel

Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:23 pm
by parson
noam wrote: he starts off talking about how governments, people etc. aren't morally responsible to cope with the issues regarding time travel. Why? He claims to offer 40-50 reasons why, most of these i am assuming would be to do with changing the course of events here, or at least thats what im assuming most of the issues are to do with, but then he back tracks and says that in fact these paradoxes are non-existent, and you travel to other dimensions.

so the moral problems he is talking about concern other dimensions?

also there are logical problems to do with multi-dimensional theories, this whole idea sounds very much like the Lewisian philosophy of Counterpart theory and Possible World theory, which ultimately faced many problems... funnily enough this guys name is David Lewis too... hmmm
you just erected a strawman and burned it to the ground right in front of our very eyes

Re: time travel

Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:24 pm
by therapist
BLAHBLAHJAH wrote: If you watched those videos parson posted it's a reference to the content of them, not intended as a deep philosophy, just small observation lightly linked to a similar standoff around the renaissance
BLAHBLAHJAH wrote:
Quoting someone stupid to try and appear clever usually works though, but not in this instance

Re: time travel

Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:25 pm
by parson
frank grimes jr. wrote:
parson wrote:basically time travel paradoxes don't exist. you can't go back and kill your grandfather because you'll go back and kill a parallel you's grandfather in another universe. there are infinite universes.
IMO you wouldn't be able to go backwards, but you could go round the block so-to-speak.

Fuck, if I'm moving the speed of light, there is plenty more interesting than my grandfather.
I'm made of limitless energy and information at this point, and I certainly don't want to pop by the Earth for a pint anytime soon.
it's got nothing to do with accelerating to the speed of light. these guys are straight up warping gravity

Re: time travel

Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:25 pm
by frank grimes jr.
:lol: