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AllNightDayDream wrote:

wehlfest wrote:

AllNightDayDream wrote: I tend to get excited when an american starts makin noise because the scene here has yet to take off,

Where do you live? The scene seems pretty big in the U.S.

Illinois. I know it's big in Cali and Colorado, but I haven't found a consistent dubstep venue round these parts.

St Louis and Chicago have dubstep shows multiple times a week.

i've come across some US dubstep i like but the majority of what i listen to is european. the uk obviously being the centre of it all.

pkay wrote: St Louis and Chicago have dubstep shows multiple times a week.

Where would you suggest I could go in chi-town? Smart bar's usually 21+ and i'm not 21. Really wanted to see vaski next week there, too.

AllNightDayDream wrote:

pkay wrote: St Louis and Chicago have dubstep shows multiple times a week.

Where would you suggest I could go in chi-town? Smart bar's usually 21+ and i'm not 21. Really wanted to see vaski next week there, too.

Nero is playing at Subterranean on dec 4th. i think that's 18+

18+ is rough due to the alcohol thing

got nothing to do with where they're from, but happens that i generally like the ones from the uk better

Yeah smartbar brings people, i saw distance and skream last year and they (used) to do local shows. They have an amazing sound system and good vibe everytime I go, the neighborhood its in (wrigleyville) is the fucking worst on weekend nights tho. The only dubstep producer from the US that does interesting stuff, IMHO, is Flying Lotus, everyone else (and the LA scene in general) is an imitation of the Dub Police, who I don't really like in the first place but at least admire for their production quality (as one might admire a well constructed assault rifle). This is, again IMHO, because Flying Lotus, like the DMZ people, took a musical tradition that he grew up with (jazz) and explored it further using electronic elements.

Its a bit absurd to talk about "the US" and "the UK" on the whole, but at the least I think you could say theres not the same culture in the US, people are less open to experimental sounds, and people that produce are so spread out that they end up going in different directions. The reason why the degenerate noise strain of dubstep is popular in the US is because its sounds a lot like whatever distortion guitar music your friends listened to in high school. Its very sad to go to shows and hear an hour in a half of pornographic DNB bass noises with no attention to rhythm or groove, and then hear a bunch of 18 year olds with glowsticks talking about how they've really gotten into dubstep the past few years. OMG have you heard datsik and bassnectar?!? lol

So in that sense the difference between the UK and the US is sort of like the difference between Miles Davis and a high school jazz band.

iamjoncannon wrote: So in that sense the difference between the UK and the US is sort of like the difference between Miles Davis and a high school jazz band.

That's a bit much. The difference is that in the UK it's a massive part of their music scene in general, where as in the US it is but a small portion of our music scene.

Same reason the UK hip hop scene is lacking. It's not the focal point of their music scene like it is in ours.

iamjoncannon wrote:Yeah smartbar brings people, i saw distance and skream last year and they (used) to do local shows. They have an amazing sound system and good vibe everytime I go, the neighborhood its in (wrigleyville) is the fucking worst on weekend nights tho. The only dubstep producer from the US that does interesting stuff, IMHO, is Flying Lotus, everyone else (and the LA scene in general) is an imitation of the Dub Police, who I don't really like in the first place but at least admire for their production quality (as one might admire a well constructed assault rifle). This is, again IMHO, because Flying Lotus, like the DMZ people, took a musical tradition that he grew up with (jazz) and explored it further using electronic elements.

Its a bit absurd to talk about "the US" and "the UK" on the whole, but at the least I think you could say theres not the same culture in the US, people are less open to experimental sounds, and people that produce are so spread out that they end up going in different directions. The reason why the degenerate noise strain of dubstep is popular in the US is because its sounds a lot like whatever distortion guitar music your friends listened to in high school. Its very sad to go to shows and hear an hour in a half of pornographic DNB bass noises with no attention to rhythm or groove, and then hear a bunch of 18 year olds with glowsticks talking about how they've really gotten into dubstep the past few years. OMG have you heard datsik and bassnectar?!? lol

So in that sense the difference between the UK and the US is sort of like the difference between Miles Davis and a high school jazz band.

this is a great post.

It is kind of annoying to see people whom are 18-21 fadkids talking about dubstep in the untied states , then again it is always annoying to hear a person of that intelligence talk (not talking about 18-21 people, just the people who get into fads easy).

We shouldn't get all riled up about that though, music is meant to be heard, not meant to be in secret libraries where no one can listen to it.

pkay wrote:
Nero is playing at Subterranean on dec 4th. i think that's 18+

18+ is rough due to the alcohol thing

Fuck yeah i'm there!

iamjoncannon wrote:Yeah smartbar brings people, i saw distance and skream last year and they (used) to do local shows. They have an amazing sound system and good vibe everytime I go, the neighborhood its in (wrigleyville) is the fucking worst on weekend nights tho. The only dubstep producer from the US that does interesting stuff, IMHO, is Flying Lotus, everyone else (and the LA scene in general) is an imitation of the Dub Police, who I don't really like in the first place but at least admire for their production quality (as one might admire a well constructed assault rifle). This is, again IMHO, because Flying Lotus, like the DMZ people, took a musical tradition that he grew up with (jazz) and explored it further using electronic elements.

Its a bit absurd to talk about "the US" and "the UK" on the whole, but at the least I think you could say theres not the same culture in the US, people are less open to experimental sounds, and people that produce are so spread out that they end up going in different directions. The reason why the degenerate noise strain of dubstep is popular in the US is because its sounds a lot like whatever distortion guitar music your friends listened to in high school. Its very sad to go to shows and hear an hour in a half of pornographic DNB bass noises with no attention to rhythm or groove, and then hear a bunch of 18 year olds with glowsticks talking about how they've really gotten into dubstep the past few years. OMG have you heard datsik and bassnectar?!? lol

So in that sense the difference between the UK and the US is sort of like the difference between Miles Davis and a high school jazz band.

I agree with you for the most part, But it has to do more with the fans than the artists. To generalize, Americans are overstimulated and mostly see music as a means to an end, just another facet of our instant-satisfaction-superficial culture to come off as hipper than other people. Our artists are doing as great a job as anyone, we're just a bit late in the game.

def going with uk on this although im lovin what both sides offer amongst other countries as well!

dogsonacid post.. circa 2001.

the atlantic doesn't segregate or discriminate when it comes to good and bad music. Over in the UK we have some of the best... and some of the worst.

pkay wrote:

iamjoncannon wrote: So in that sense the difference between the UK and the US is sort of like the difference between Miles Davis and a high school jazz band.

That's a bit much. The difference is that in the UK it's a massive part of their music scene in general, where as in the US it is but a small portion of our music scene.

Same reason the UK hip hop scene is lacking. It's not the focal point of their music scene like it is in ours.

I dont think UK Hip-Hop has anywhere near enough of a cash and pop injection as it does in the US but there are a group of artists that are dedicated to their music, have been making it for a long time and reap no rewards but lyrically still maintain the same ethics of what hip-hop should be really about, i.e social issues, politics etc not diamonds and guns.

Pedro Sánchez wrote:

Well seeing as Timbaland invented dubstep................gotta say the UK.

It really doesnt matter where the artists are from. Its about the sounds being made. I'd say the US was pushing the more jump-up/hype side of dubstep and the UK is more about the more minimal/deep side of things. That doesnt neccessarily mean one is better than the other....just peoples personal opinion. If you like jump-up you are more likely to say America........if you like the deep stuff your more likely to say UK.


Edit: And that was my 1000 post.....glad it wasnt just a bump or sumin. lol.

Gotta admit I don't think I listen to any US dubstep artists regularily. Bassnectar and GLK are good DJ's though.

Edit: Joe Nice too of course!

LA_Boxers wrote:Well seeing as Timbaland invented dubstep................gotta say the UK.

It really doesnt matter where the artists are from. Its about the sounds being made. I'd say the US was pushing the more jump-up/hype side of dubstep and the UK is more about the more minimal/deep side of things. That doesnt neccessarily mean one is better than the other....just peoples personal opinion. If you like jump-up you are more likely to say America........if you like the deep stuff your more likely to say UK.


Edit: And that was my 1000 post.....glad it wasnt just a bump or sumin. lol.

eh i'd say both sides of the pond push both sounds, just people like to think there's this big divide, the UK pushes the jump up stuff just as much as the US and same goes vice versa for deep
don't let a forum or some e-presence convince you otherwise

deadly habit wrote:

LA_Boxers wrote:Well seeing as Timbaland invented dubstep................gotta say the UK.

It really doesnt matter where the artists are from. Its about the sounds being made. I'd say the US was pushing the more jump-up/hype side of dubstep and the UK is more about the more minimal/deep side of things. That doesnt neccessarily mean one is better than the other....just peoples personal opinion. If you like jump-up you are more likely to say America........if you like the deep stuff your more likely to say UK.


Edit: And that was my 1000 post.....glad it wasnt just a bump or sumin. lol.

eh i'd say both sides of the pond push both sounds, just people like to think there's this big divide, the UK pushes the jump up stuff just as much as the US and same goes vice versa for deep
don't let a forum or some e-presence convince you otherwise

I was just struggling to think of more than a handful of American artists that push the 'deep' sound?

Edit: and by push the 'deep' sound i mean 'do it well'. Uk has soooooo many such as Tunnidge, Mala, Loefah, Cyrus, Kryptics, Fused Forces etc etc.