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paravrais wrote:

Danimal wrote:

vulvavibration wrote:don;t use any mastering programms if you don;t know hw=ow to use it. presets are shit.

presets are hardly shit when you are in your first year of producing

But if you never make your own sounds you will be stuck using presets forever.

True, but you need to know the rules before you can ignore them and make up your own.

wub wrote:

paravrais wrote:

Danimal wrote:

vulvavibration wrote:don;t use any mastering programms if you don;t know hw=ow to use it. presets are shit.

presets are hardly shit when you are in your first year of producing

But if you never make your own sounds you will be stuck using presets forever.

True, but you need to know the rules before you can ignore them and make up your own.

Yeah, you have to have some idea when you're starting out. If you tinker blindly with mastering, you won't get too far.

Danimal wrote:

wub wrote:

paravrais wrote:

Danimal wrote:

vulvavibration wrote:don;t use any mastering programms if you don;t know hw=ow to use it. presets are shit.

presets are hardly shit when you are in your first year of producing

But if you never make your own sounds you will be stuck using presets forever.

True, but you need to know the rules before you can ignore them and make up your own.

Yeah, you have to have some idea when you're starting out. If you tinker blindly with mastering, you won't get too far.

Off topic - whereabouts in AZ are you? I'm due to spin over there again in April-June sometime

I live in Flagstaff, AZ. Its 2 hours north of Phoenix.

wub wrote:

paravrais wrote:

Danimal wrote:

vulvavibration wrote:don;t use any mastering programms if you don;t know hw=ow to use it. presets are shit.

presets are hardly shit when you are in your first year of producing

But if you never make your own sounds you will be stuck using presets forever.

True, but you need to know the rules before you can ignore them and make up your own.

That's rubbish XD that goes for music theory *maybe* but for synthesis? There aren't any rules, it's literally do whatever the hell you like. You'll learn a lot more from doing something than using something someone else has done for you. It's like cooking, sure you can buy a cake from the shop but it's not gonna teach you how to make one yourself and if your training to be a chef you're really gonna need to learn to make it yourself..

Alright Gordon....

paravrais wrote:That's rubbish XD that goes for music theory *maybe* but for synthesis? There aren't any rules, it's literally do whatever the hell you like. You'll learn a lot more from doing something than using something someone else has done for you. It's like cooking, sure you can buy a cake from the shop but it's not gonna teach you how to make one yourself and if your training to be a chef you're really gonna need to learn to make it yourself..

This

And mastering is the last thing you should worry about when just starting out imo. If you really want some mastering you can get someone, a proffesional do it. Just focus on your production for a few years, cuz no one can do that for you

Danimal wrote:Alright Gordon....

That made me lol XD

One little advice I do sometimes...

When working on a tune, put your limiter, transient shaper or whatever you use for DIY mastering on the master channel and raise the volume to achieve the desired RMS... And turn it off! While you're producing / mixing you turn it on ocasionally and see what's happening with the sound. If you find problems, clashes between sounds and frequencies, turn it off and return to mixing, eq-ing etc... then repeat the procedure turning on the limiter... When you achieve the desired volume level without the clashing you can play around with your DIY mastering but you also know that if you have your tune mastered by third party, they will probably not encounter any problems while mastering your tune...

egoless wrote:One little advice I do sometimes...

When working on a tune, put your limiter, transient shaper or whatever you use for DIY mastering on the master channel and raise the volume to achieve the desired RMS... And turn it off! While you're producing / mixing you turn it on ocasionally and see what's happening with the sound. If you find problems, clashes between sounds and frequencies, turn it off and return to mixing, eq-ing etc... then repeat the procedure turning on the limiter... When you achieve the desired volume level without the clashing you can play around with your DIY mastering but you also know that if you have your tune mastered by third party, they will probably not encounter any problems while mastering your tune...

nice suggestion - will check this soon.

Project EX wrote:This

And mastering is the last thing you should worry about when just starting out imo. If you really want some mastering you can get someone, a proffesional do it. Just focus on your production for a few years, cuz no one can do that for you

True, but every producer should know some techniques to make the tune stands near todays fucked up volume standards and not sound like shit. People are daily bombed with loud music and noise, and it's no suprise that they perceive a quiet, non mastered tune with low RMS simply as bad produced wich is far from truth... but sadly it's like that, psychological thing... and there aren't many people that can afford pro mastering on their dubs...

egoless wrote:

Project EX wrote:This

And mastering is the last thing you should worry about when just starting out imo. If you really want some mastering you can get someone, a proffesional do it. Just focus on your production for a few years, cuz no one can do that for you

True, but every producer should know some techniques to make the tune stands near todays fucked up volume standards and not sound like shit. People are daily bombed with loud music and noise, and it's no suprise that they perceive a quiet, non mastered tune with low RMS simply as bad produced wich is far from truth... but sadly it's like that, psychological thing... and there aren't many people that can afford pro mastering on their dubs...

Yeah totally agree with you there, after the person gains some experience on production and mixing. Cuz even basic diy mastering requires knowledge about compressors & limiters, which is the more advanced stuff of production

paravrais wrote:

wub wrote:

paravrais wrote:

Danimal wrote:

vulvavibration wrote:don;t use any mastering programms if you don;t know hw=ow to use it. presets are shit.

presets are hardly shit when you are in your first year of producing

But if you never make your own sounds you will be stuck using presets forever.

True, but you need to know the rules before you can ignore them and make up your own.

That's rubbish XD that goes for music theory *maybe* but for synthesis? There aren't any rules, it's literally do whatever the hell you like. You'll learn a lot more from doing something than using something someone else has done for you. It's like cooking, sure you can buy a cake from the shop but it's not gonna teach you how to make one yourself and if your training to be a chef you're really gonna need to learn to make it yourself..

Not at all, it's all down to how you approach things. My own way of working is I like to take an existing thing, for example a preset, and then backwards work it to find out exactly what elements of it make what difference to the sound. Once I've learnt how different settings and dials and thingymajigs affect the noises, I can adapt those to making things sound how I want, or at least a closer approximation of how things sound in my head.

Again, this is my own way of working. Not saying it's right or wrong.

egoless wrote:

Project EX wrote:This

And mastering is the last thing you should worry about when just starting out imo. If you really want some mastering you can get someone, a proffesional do it. Just focus on your production for a few years, cuz no one can do that for you

True, but every producer should know some techniques to make the tune stands near todays fucked up volume standards and not sound like shit. People are daily bombed with loud music and noise, and it's no suprise that they perceive a quiet, non mastered tune with low RMS simply as bad produced wich is far from truth... but sadly it's like that, psychological thing... and there aren't many people that can afford pro mastering on their dubs...

Its true man. So much loud and bangin tunes out there, it takes a lot to learn how to bring that same element in your own tunes without peaking or distorting some EQ. I spent five years trying to bring up the levels on my tracks with mastering.

without wanting any feedback! but what exactly would such a pseudo-mastering actually change in the track below? bigger bass? doesn't need a bigger one imho. crispier percussion? it's clear and crispy as far as i can hear - and my ears aren't that damaged... loudness? it's loud enough imho (maybe not for a vinyl press, but hey. that's not my job anyway and also it's not on wax anyway)

just can't figure what difference in positive things it might do!
a professional would probably squeeze the whole sound a bit together to let it sound more as a whole, make it, as said before, louder and maybe just clean out a little bit the frequencies. but tbh i couldn't do that! i haven't got the gear nor the since years trained ears...

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alright thanks guys! i thought that i could master that track into sounding right but now i know i just mixed it wrong by putting too much bass in it. does anyone know anywhere i can read and learn about mixing theory? and what do you guys keep your DBS at for beats and bass etc?

thanks for your help guys and im going to try that thing keeping it at -5db cheers guys