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Project EX wrote:

zerbaman wrote:

serox wrote:For a good sub use a single sine wave with no FX on it at all

You should have a compresser on it and have it mono

Should? Nah man, there are no set guidelines. No matter what you do (to an extent obviously) if it sounds good then it's good.

Correction
They are guidelines, not rules, but guidelines defo.

zerbaman wrote:

Project EX wrote:

zerbaman wrote:

serox wrote:For a good sub use a single sine wave with no FX on it at all

You should have a compresser on it and have it mono

Should? Nah man, there are no set guidelines. No matter what you do (to an extent obviously) if it sounds good then it's good.

Correction
They are guidelines, not rules, but guidelines defo.

yeah meant to say rules

What benefits do you get from using a compressor on a dry sine?

Only thing I can think of is to control the notes from spiking...

serox wrote:What benefits do you get from using a compressor on a dry sine?

Only thing I can think of is to control the notes from spiking...

http://www.vimeo.com/2991928

at about 2.16

Wrigzilla wrote:

serox wrote:What benefits do you get from using a compressor on a dry sine?

Only thing I can think of is to control the notes from spiking...

http://www.vimeo.com/2991928

at about 2.16

I have seen this before. The bit you are on about I see differently.

EL-B mentions a sine wave on the low end and then goes onto mentioned compression the top end. I think he means compression the top of of the whole mix tho?

There is no top end of a single dry sine wave, he knows that.

Also don’t forget El-B makes aggressive tracks that have a lot of distortion and harsh compression on everything to try and push the track into its limits for affect. This technique wont transfer well in all areas I don’t think.

serox wrote:I have seen this before. The bit you are on about I see differently.

EL-B mentions a sine wave on the low end and then goes onto mentioned compression the top end. I think he means compression the top of of the whole mix tho?

There is no top end of a single dry sine wave, he knows that.

Also don’t forget El-B makes aggressive tracks that have a lot of distortion and harsh compression on everything to try and push the track into its limits for affect. This technique wont transfer well in all areas I don’t think.

Nah later on he (about 5 mins in) says the only real processing going on in cubase is compression on each channel.


Besides if you think this sounds aggressive http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMbMnYK5xZc I'd love to hear what you think of this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xnv2r9AZucA


Now as I'm sure you know there are no rules, just principals in good production and I think the clean sine sub is a good principal; I just don't like it being presented like it's the 11th commandment straight from God himself. There is only one principal in production which should not be bent or broken and that's if it sounds good, do it

Not trying to get at you but different tunes require different mixes, in some tunes a compressed sub is the right choice and in other tunes it'll be the wrong one. Know what I'm saying?

Yeh I get you. I don’t mean to sound like what I say is the rules because I agree, each to their own.

I was honestly curious as to why someone would want to compress a dry sine.

serox wrote: I was honestly curious as to why someone would want to compress a dry sine.

tone-- get the compressor's circuit to react and add some coloration, w/ or w/o actual compression happening.

but yeah in general-- i want my low end pretty wide open. not always the case, but often.

Sharmaji wrote:

serox wrote: I was honestly curious as to why someone would want to compress a dry sine.

tone-- get the compressor's circuit to react and add some coloration, w/ or w/o actual compression happening.

but yeah in general-- i want my low end pretty wide open. not always the case, but often.

HUH?

serox wrote:Yeh I get you. I don’t mean to sound like what I say is the rules because I agree, each to their own.

I was honestly curious as to why someone would want to compress a dry sine.

It's all good man, couple of months ago I was mixing one of my uni assignments in the studio and I ended up feeding my sub through one of the outboard compressors (can't remember which one) to compress it a little (1 or 2 dBs reduction) so i could bring it up a bit and to add a bit of warmth to it.

Wrigzilla wrote:

serox wrote:Yeh I get you. I don’t mean to sound like what I say is the rules because I agree, each to their own.

I was honestly curious as to why someone would want to compress a dry sine.

It's all good man, couple of months ago I was mixing one of my uni assignments in the studio and I ended up feeding my sub through one of the outboard compressors (can't remember which one) to compress it a little (1 or 2 dBs reduction) so i could bring it up a bit and to add a bit of warmth to it.

So you just used a compressor like a limiter to push ur sine into? making it change from a sine to a square?

serox wrote:So you just used a compressor like a limiter to push ur sine into? making it change from a sine to a square?

Kind of, but not quite as harsh as proper squashed sine wave to square; I was going for a more gentle compression just to bring the level up. I don't wholly understand it, but taking a signal through DAC to desk to analogue outboard gear back to desk to ADC does seem to add a bit of "magical" warmth.

Project EX wrote:

zerbaman wrote:

serox wrote:For a good sub use a single sine wave with no FX on it at all

You should have a compresser on it and have it mono

Should? Nah man, there are no set guidelines. No matter what you do (to an extent obviously) if it sounds good then it's good.

as far as no fx and mono its just a simple way too avoid phazing weakening the sub. you can add fx and go stereo but i would advise having a center channel sub for monitoring while you do this.

paravrais wrote:Low end is notoriously muddy in Reason (apparently it's better in 5 but I haven't tried that) I'd advise against using the mclass EQ too as it's a piece of alpaca shit. Go for the filters instead or use the vocoders EQ mode.

I think the Reason EQ is alright! Seriously, the low end in reason isn't bad at all. You've just got to be precise and work at it (not that I'm an expert or anything)

serox wrote:What benefits do you get from using a compressor on a dry sine?

Only thing I can think of is to control the notes from spiking...

Precisely this.

efence wrote:

Project EX wrote:

zerbaman wrote:

serox wrote:For a good sub use a single sine wave with no FX on it at all

You should have a compresser on it and have it mono

Should? Nah man, there are no set guidelines. No matter what you do (to an extent obviously) if it sounds good then it's good.

True say, I'm just paranoid about having it level and centered