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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 4:54 pm
by shonky
Think selections the main bit, and I don't mind hearing the odd blip if the energy's there to be honest - I'd rather hear a bad enthusiastic mix than a perfect boring one to be honest.
One of my fave dj's for mixes I've nabbed off here is Alex Bk-bk and he keeps it warts and all, but makes good selections and doesn't mind veering out to include other styles, and they generally work well.
Depends if you want jazz funk or the stooges I guess
Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 5:00 pm
by chef
Parson wrote:cdjs are harder in a way cuz you can't see the grooves
i guess that goes back to knowing your tunes
vinyl is the easiest imo
Why do you think vinyl is easier?
Grooves only help to see breakdowns and that's it, they dont help to get the tracks in sync.
Its not like having the bpm flashing in your face and all you gotta do is move the pitch until they're both on the same number, aint being funny but a 5 year old kid could do that, I understand it's to make it easier but where do you draw the line?
Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 5:00 pm
by cb_db
Parson wrote:cdjs are harder in a way cuz you can't see the grooves
i guess that goes back to knowing your tunes
vinyl is the easiest imo
But with cdjs once you have the pitch matched you're good to go. There's no continued adjustment like there is with vinyl. As you get nearer to the center of a record the pitch increases, which means, you're constantly adjusting. With cdjs you just get em locked and away you go.
Distance's mixes always seem tight as fook.
Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 5:28 pm
by unlikely
Spaceboy wrote:SCIENTIST knows what I'm talking about.
yes yes and yes again, seriously underrated, badboy selection too
Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 5:28 pm
by parson
vinyl just feels more natural to me
i have never been one to even look at the bpm counter becausee it usually jumps all over the place becausee it can't figure out the beat. i dunno. maybe they make em better these days.
Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 5:30 pm
by parson
pitch doesn't increase when you get to the inside of the record what are you talking about
Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 5:31 pm
by dj slums
Chef wrote:DJing for me is an art, beat matching well for two hours without hardly and slips isn't easy and isn't something you learn overnight.
Being a good DJ you need to know your tunes inside and out, and know which tunes go well toghether.
For me selection =65% Skills on the decks = 35% It's like playing a card game, you can have all the best cards but if don't play them right they don't amount to nothing.
We have to take the risk in order to pull of fast mixes and double drops quickly but when someones been cueing up the tunes for 2/3 minutes and it's still loose like water molecules it doesn't impress me.
I think being a DJ you need to bring people on a journey, with High's and low's, not just one level ------------------- all the way through.
Also I get sent loads of mixes done on a laptop or cd's which is shite in terms of ability, it's ok for compiling tunes or showcasing music but there's no skill involved really when you can see the bpm and all you gotta do is move the pitch until both cd decks are displaying the same bpm.
Put them same dj's in a dance with two 1210's and lets see what happens.
spot on mr chef, spot on.
Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 5:35 pm
by ufo over easy
Chef wrote:
Its not like having the bpm flashing in your face and all you gotta do is move the pitch until they're both on the same number, aint being funny but a 5 year old kid could do that, I understand it's to make it easier but where do you draw the line?
I've never seen a bpm counter that's totally accurate though? I'd certainly never take what they say as gospel; mixing with CDs is still about using your ears - even if the bpm counters are reading the exact same thing, you still need skill to make mixes sound good.
I definitely find mixing with vinyl easier. As Parson said, it just feels more natural to be able to physically see the music.
Also, all my studio mixes have been done on shoddy budget numark decks and crap low end cd decks - I could say, 'I get sent loads of mixes done on 1210s - put the same DJs in a dance on a crap pair of numarks and they'll trainwreck the place'
Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 5:37 pm
by auralassassin
That has nothing to do with who is the best technical DJ you know of...
when the question is about "OMFG WHO HAS THE OWNAGE DUBZZ!111!!!!1" then that might mean something. That's not the question.
WHO IS THE BEST *TECHNICAL* DJ... not a tough one. I'll make it easy--NO MATTER WHAT TRACKS THEY PLAY. Who has the best skills. fuck all, this isn't hard.
Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 5:42 pm
by chef
UFO over easy wrote:Chef wrote:
Its not like having the bpm flashing in your face and all you gotta do is move the pitch until they're both on the same number, aint being funny but a 5 year old kid could do that, I understand it's to make it easier but where do you draw the line?
I've never seen a bpm counter that's totally accurate though? I'd certainly never take what they say as gospel; mixing with CDs is still about using your ears - even if the bpm counters are reading the exact same thing, you still need skill to make mixes sound good.
I definitely find mixing with vinyl easier. As Parson said, it just feels more natural to be able to physically see the music.
Yeah you still gotta use your ears, but not as much.
For example, lets take the pioneer cd decks we got up Rinse, I know for a fact the bpms are accurate enough.
I've seen dj's use NO headphones, just adjust the bpms until they matched without even hitting play. When the bpms were sync my man just hit play on the first beat and brought the tune in.....
That's what i'm talking about, no headphones and no skill.
Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 5:44 pm
by ufo over easy
Chef wrote:
I've seen dj's use NO headphones, just adjust the bpms until they matched without even hitting play. When the bpms were sync my man just hit play on the first beat and brought the tune in.....
That's what i'm talking about, no headphones and no skill.
Yeah, I guess so, that's a bit waste. I probably wouldn't mind so much if he'd put extra thought into how his set was moving, EQing everything perfectly etc.. but if he wasn't even using headphones he probably wasn't paying attention to EQing things either, which just makes him a bad DJ
Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 5:45 pm
by seckle
auralassassin wrote:WHO IS THE BEST *TECHNICAL* DJ... not a tough one. I'll make it easy--NO MATTER WHAT TRACKS THEY PLAY. Who has the best skills. fuck all, this isn't hard.
i'll make it easy for you. who cares? this isn't a race to the finish line. there's too many good dj's in this music, to single one out.
Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 5:50 pm
by chef
UFO over easy wrote:
Also, all my studio mixes have been done on shoddy budget numark decks and crap low end cd decks - I could say, 'I get sent loads of mixes done on 1210s - put the same DJs in a dance on a crap pair of numarks and they'll trainwreck the place'
Yeah but Numarks aint the standard DJ medium are they? Numarks aint the decks your gonna find in clubs around the world. I'd expect people to clang on Numarks if they aint used em before. I know nuff bedroom dj's they can mix good on Kam, Soundlabs etc, put em on Techincs and they crumble.
Personaly I'll mix on any decks, me and N-type used to be on radio using bloody Soundlab with the roller pitch on the front!!!
You aint get much more budget or more fucked than that.
Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 5:55 pm
by auralassassin
seckle wrote:auralassassin wrote:WHO IS THE BEST *TECHNICAL* DJ... not a tough one. I'll make it easy--NO MATTER WHAT TRACKS THEY PLAY. Who has the best skills. fuck all, this isn't hard.
i'll make it easy for you. who cares? this isn't a race to the finish line. there's too many good dj's in this music, to single one out.
How about pointing ANY out... feel free to not post in the topic if it's not agreeable... I don't go posting mixes in the fucking Dub forum, do I? What's so hard about answering a question?
I FUCKING CARE, obviously. Stupid question, yea?
Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 5:57 pm
by ufo over easy
Chef wrote:I know nuff bedroom dj's they can mix good on Kam, Soundlabs etc, put em on Techincs and they crumble.
True, I used to take some time to adjust when playing out on technics - just getting used to decks that actually hold their pitch properly
Finally saved some cash and got some now though.
Chef wrote:Personaly I'll mix on any decks, me and N-type used to be on radio using bloody Soundlab with the roller pitch on the front!!!
heavy
PS: auralassassin, why'd you bother coming back if you were just going to kick up a fuss again?
Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 6:01 pm
by bob grommit
auralassassin you have been sorely missed, thanks for making the return.
Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 6:03 pm
by chef
UFO over easy wrote:Chef wrote:I know nuff bedroom dj's they can mix good on Kam, Soundlabs etc, put em on Techincs and they crumble.
True, I used to take some time to adjust when playing out on technics - just getting used to decks that actually hold their pitch properly
Finally saved some cash and got some now though.
Chef wrote:Personaly I'll mix on any decks, me and N-type used to be on radio using bloody Soundlab with the roller pitch on the front!!!
heavy
Bro, I used to have dusty Kam's for years until I was 16 because mum werent paying for 1210's.
I'd mix like a don on Kam's, go round my mates yard and nearly pull a muscle just trying to slow the platter down because it was so strong and then i'd feel like a tnuc because it just werent working like it did in my bedroom day in day out.
Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 6:03 pm
by auralassassin
UFO over easy wrote:PS: auralassassin, why'd you bother coming back if you were just going to kick up a fuss again?
I didn't leave, I was in a coma. So it's not really coming back, is it... I can just finally sit upright at a desk again. And how the fuck is posting a thread about big upping the hottest DJ's stirring up shit?
Well, thats because people lack a damn brain--and can't keep it from turning into a discussion about something it wasn't. That type of shit pisses me off. I don't enter a thread about Grime and start talking about trance. I don't go into threads about track selection and talk about technical DJ skills... RUDE. and not in a cool way, mate.
Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 6:05 pm
by ufo over easy
you don't own the thread just because you made it, and your over-reactions are rude
chef wrote:Bro, I used to have dusty Kam's for years until I was 16 because mum werent paying for 1210's.
I'd mix like a don on Kam's, go round my mates yard and nearly pull a muscle just trying to slow the platter down because it was so strong and then i'd feel like a tnuc because it just werent working like it did in my bedroom day in day out.
haha, I swear though, mixing on technics 100% of the time now, there's no going back. can't see myself changing, ever really.
Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 6:12 pm
by unlikely
[quote="UFO over easy"]you don't own the thread just because you made it, and your over-reactions are rude
AND CHANGE YOURE SODDING AVATAR!
I lose a little faith in humanity with every obnoxious cycle
damn you'll probably keep it now just to annoy me
