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south3rn wrote:i'd just like to remind everyone that at one point, it was scientific "fact" that the earth was flat.

take everything unproven with a grain of salt. and just because it "makes sense" doesn't mean it's bottom line fact.

evolutionist crazies are just as bad as creationist crazies.

Evolution itself is proven. Certain relationships between species and mechanics are not. But evolution happening is actually a fact the way the Earth revolving around the sun is.

Also, modern science did not exist at the time that a 'flat Earth' was consensus (if there even was such a time, seeing as spherical and flat Earth models coexisted for quite a long time and the spherical Earth model had already been adopted by a number of cultures in the classical era).

wub wrote:Same. I've never gotten my head round the creationist theory when it comes to biology. Religion, fine. Believe whatever. But discounting evolution is just madness.

THIS! We can literally SEE evolution happening. We can watch species change through selective breeding, and natural selection the selector for evolution. It drives me crazy that America's still struggling with evolution and global warming. Seriously... I FUCKING HATE AMERICA (suck on that feds)

south3rn wrote:evolutionist crazies are just as bad as creationist crazies.

What exactly is a crazy evolutionist? People who think the 2011 civic evolved from the 2010?

Interesting.

south3rn wrote:i'd just like to remind everyone that at one point, it was scientific "fact" that the earth was flat.

take everything unproven with a grain of salt. and just because it "makes sense" doesn't mean it's bottom line fact.

evolutionist crazies are just as bad as creationist crazies.

No, no one ever thouht the world was flat...
You should look that one up...

...if they would get the fuck out of their dusty pews and potato salad cues they might see an amphibian..


I sound so mean in this thread..it's the northeasterner in me...have a headache also..
the azaleas are trying to kill me..

clifford_- wrote:

south3rn wrote:i'd just like to remind everyone that at one point, it was scientific "fact" that the earth was flat.

take everything unproven with a grain of salt. and just because it "makes sense" doesn't mean it's bottom line fact.

evolutionist crazies are just as bad as creationist crazies.

No, no one ever thouht the world was flat...
You should look that one up...

Uhh. Lots of cultures did. Including the Chinese well after the Middle Ages.

Genevieve wrote:

clifford_- wrote:

south3rn wrote:i'd just like to remind everyone that at one point, it was scientific "fact" that the earth was flat.

take everything unproven with a grain of salt. and just because it "makes sense" doesn't mean it's bottom line fact.

evolutionist crazies are just as bad as creationist crazies.

No, no one ever thouht the world was flat...
You should look that one up...

Uhh. Lots of cultures did. Including the Chinese well after the Middle Ages.

Are you sure? They made a big point of it on Qi, that it was a common misconception....
unless i missed the point completely

"It's actually an urban myth that people as late as the 14th / 15th century thought the Earth was flat. Both the Romans and the ancient Greeks knew it was round."

clifford_- wrote:

Genevieve wrote:

clifford_- wrote:

south3rn wrote:i'd just like to remind everyone that at one point, it was scientific "fact" that the earth was flat.

take everything unproven with a grain of salt. and just because it "makes sense" doesn't mean it's bottom line fact.

evolutionist crazies are just as bad as creationist crazies.

No, no one ever thouht the world was flat...
You should look that one up...

Uhh. Lots of cultures did. Including the Chinese well after the Middle Ages.

Are you sure? They made a big point of it on Qi, that it was a common misconception....
unless i missed the point completely

"It's actually an urban myth that people as late as the 14th / 15th century thought the Earth was flat. Both the Romans and the ancient Greeks knew it was round."

funnily enough neither the Romans nor the Greeks are Chinese... just sayin'

This'll sort it out
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth

What Clifford is referring to is half way down the page

cityzen wrote:This'll sort it out
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth

Wikipedia should never be used to 'sort out' anything IMO.

clifford_- wrote:

Genevieve wrote:

clifford_- wrote:

south3rn wrote:i'd just like to remind everyone that at one point, it was scientific "fact" that the earth was flat.

take everything unproven with a grain of salt. and just because it "makes sense" doesn't mean it's bottom line fact.

evolutionist crazies are just as bad as creationist crazies.

No, no one ever thouht the world was flat...
You should look that one up...

Uhh. Lots of cultures did. Including the Chinese well after the Middle Ages.

Are you sure? They made a big point of it on Qi, that it was a common misconception....
unless i missed the point completely

"It's actually an urban myth that people as late as the 14th / 15th century thought the Earth was flat. Both the Romans and the ancient Greeks knew it was round."

The Mesopotamians thought the Earth was flat. Yeah, some Greek philosophers thought the Earth was spherical which later became the consensus in Greece and it spread, slowly over the European continent. The knowledge, at least.

The Chinese hadn't figured it out until centuries later after coming in contact with the west.

cityzen wrote:This'll sort it out
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth

What Clifford is referring to is half way down the page

Yeah, but that doesn't say that 'no one ever thought the Earth was flat', which is what he was saying.

Just because Stephen Fry said it on QI doesn't mean it's true either. The only way you can really know is if you do the research yourself.

If you haven't, just don't take everything so seriously.

Genevieve wrote:

cityzen wrote:This'll sort it out
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth

What Clifford is referring to is half way down the page

Yeah, but that doesn't say that 'no one ever thought the Earth was flat', which is what he was saying.

clifford_- wrote:They made a big point of it on Qi, that it was a common misconception....
unless i missed the point completely

"It's actually an urban myth that people as late as the 14th / 15th century thought the Earth was flat. Both the Romans and the ancient Greeks knew it was round."

cityzen wrote:This'll sort it out
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth

What Clifford is referring to is half way down the page

leebass wrote:Just because Stephen Fry said it on QI doesn't mean it's true either. The only way you can really know is if you do the research yourself.
If you haven't, just don't take everything so seriously.

The only way you can really know something is if you have experienced it directly.

cityzen wrote:

Genevieve wrote:

cityzen wrote:This'll sort it out
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth

What Clifford is referring to is half way down the page

Yeah, but that doesn't say that 'no one ever thought the Earth was flat', which is what he was saying.

clifford_- wrote:They made a big point of it on Qi, that it was a common misconception....
unless i missed the point completely

"It's actually an urban myth that people as late as the 14th / 15th century thought the Earth was flat. Both the Romans and the ancient Greeks knew it was round."

cityzen wrote:This'll sort it out
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth

What Clifford is referring to is half way down the page

Yes and:

Genevieve wrote:...that doesn't say that 'no one ever thought the Earth was flat', which is what he was saying....

...here.

Edit: when scrolling up just a teensy bit on the page you linked, it says what I've been saying about the Chinese.

They're kids, stuck in a closed society.

Sucks for them.

We can believe evolution because we have been properly taught the scientific basis behind it from a young age. That a single cell self-programmed itself into a human being is just as unbelievable as it being created by a supreme being when the evidence behind it is not explained properly.

oli90 wrote:

(Pada) wrote:Okay the students sound a bit thick - but no thicker than most of the kids at my school. The teacher in that video says nothing objectionable to me he seems pretty reasonable...

think the title of the youtube video is a bit of an over reaction.

Are there kids at your school who suggest that black people are a different species to white people?

No one said they were a different species, you heard one quote from the dude, out of context.

He said they couldn't have evolved from them.

It's a very unspecific and, in the context of the video, ambiguous statement - what it sounds like to me is that he has misunderstood the theory of evolution*

However evolve does not mean a change from one species to another just the change of one or more inherited traits (I had to check this, but only used Wiki - hope it's right ) he probably means that because all humans originate from africa, he assumes, we must have evolved from having black skin to white skin (as this was beneficial to survival in our environment).

If he is a creationist I assume he will believe all humans are made in gods image and so obviously are all the same species.

Lots of people at my school were creationist muslims btw even the a* students

*Which most people would if nearly everyone they knew was a creationist - misconceptions are had by one person and then passed on to other [i.e. the first law of thermo dynamics and the law of conservation of mass are often miss quoted from "in a closed system, energy/matter can not be create dor sistroyed" and lose the in a closed system part, this is usually entirely inocent and not an attempt at spreading misinformation to make people believe in god - infact i'm no expert on the theory of evolution and may have even spread mis-information in this post! please point it out if I have )

EDIT: okay he said african american evolve from a white person (?? i think i can't understand his accent hhaa) that shows some ignorance - but as I say it's probably (hopefully?) because of misinformation he's been fed rather than any outright racist prejudice. I'm ignorant to a hell of a lot of things and so is everyone - it doesn't make him any worse than you or me to what that ignorance is.

As I said It's a very unspecific and ambiguous statement so to make character judgements based on it seems a bit daft.