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He was trolling, blates. gotta clue up on that.
Dont forget for a lot of these kids, its their first venture into electronic music. they want something thats in your face and gritty, which to them, jump up dubstep is....

this forum is actually a troll's paradise lol

clifford_- wrote:He was trolling, blates. gotta clue up on that.
Dont forget for a lot of these kids, its their first venture into electronic music. they want something thats in your face and gritty, which to them, jump up dubstep is....

I gotta confess, that I was one of them kids who thought Datsik etc etc was cool/awesome/best dubstep producer eveeerrr until I found this forum. Before I found Datsik, electronic music and hip-hop was shit(luckily I've changed since that).

Icey wrote:

clifford_- wrote:He was trolling, blates. gotta clue up on that.
Dont forget for a lot of these kids, its their first venture into electronic music. they want something thats in your face and gritty, which to them, jump up dubstep is....

I gotta confess, that I was one of them kids who thought Datsik etc etc was cool/awesome/best dubstep producer eveeerrr until I found this forum. Before I found Datsik, electronic music and hip-hop was shit(luckily I've changed since that).

And your from finland?! I would of thought youd be diggin tes-la-rok before anything!

clifford_- wrote:

Icey wrote:

clifford_- wrote:He was trolling, blates. gotta clue up on that.
Dont forget for a lot of these kids, its their first venture into electronic music. they want something thats in your face and gritty, which to them, jump up dubstep is....

I gotta confess, that I was one of them kids who thought Datsik etc etc was cool/awesome/best dubstep producer eveeerrr until I found this forum. Before I found Datsik, electronic music and hip-hop was shit(luckily I've changed since that).

And your from finland?! I would of thought youd be diggin tes-la-rok before anything!

Yeah, I didn't know Finland had a dubstep scene until I found Tes la Rok + Desto. Where I live no-one knows about them

There's nothing wrong with Datsik. The problem is people like you.

Siderealdb wrote:There's nothing wrong with Datsik. The problem is people like you.

It got boring after a while, in my opinion. It was good for me that I found something else to listen to : )

Siderealdb wrote:There's nothing wrong with Datsik. The problem is people like you.

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Please remove the stick from your arse. This isnt a thread bashing datsik, were all getting a bit long in the tooth for that, seen?

clifford_- wrote:

Siderealdb wrote:There's nothing wrong with Datsik. The problem is people like you.

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Please remove the stick from your arse. This isnt a thread bashing datsik, were all getting a bit long in the tooth for that, seen?

Then why did he go there?
and
Why do you care?

The psychological explanation is that they like the timbre, that's the most defining point of a genre. It's not dubstep though so don't bring it up here again

The whole scene is shifting in a filthier and cheesier direction, of course it would be nice if people appreciated artistic music more rather than "functional" music but is dance music art or is it entertainment?

I personally enjoy writing music whether its artistic music or rave the difference is that one is hugely more popular than the other and for anyone serious about production/djing for a career thats pretty important. What me and many other producers are experiencing with this scene atm is the same as with DNB nearly 10 years ago its a case of play the game or your likely going nowhere. I would advise producers with broad tastes in music but without good connections to ignore the waffle on here and write whats popular if it means you get to wind up a few miserable tits in the process then thats an added bonus. That in no way means you can't write artistic music as well (look at Reso's eps for instance) but prioritise and do the popular stuff first so your not worrying about finance as stress is no good for creativity.

This whole holier than thou crap has got well out of hand with this scene puts me off writing progressive music tbh and does anyone other than 15 year olds on utube actually give a shit if this or that music is called dubstep anyway?

Icey wrote: I mean, how often do you see a kid skanking to something deep yet with rhythm?

To be fair, its not exactly a regular occurance I see a toddler skanking to dubstep in any form, whether its got a mid-range wobble or not. Maybe thats just where I'm living though? It would seem Liverpool's clearly not where its at for skanking children

those people are kind of like people who only watch sports during the playoffs, or football during the world cup... it's just about fun and having a good time for them. they don't give a shit about music, or the scene, or the history or the future. do they go home and research their favorite producers and seek out rare music, or post on forums about the music? maybe a bit, but for most of them i'd say it's just something they wave a fucking glowstick around for, and then move onto the next thing. in a year when brostep is played out they'll sell their CDJ's, uninstall FLS and Massive, and go back to listening to dave matthews or something.

rob sparx wrote:I would advise producers with broad tastes in music but without good connections to ignore the waffle on here and write whats popular if it means you get to wind up a few miserable tits in the process then thats an added bonus. That in no way means you can't write artistic music as well (look at Reso's eps for instance) but prioritise and do the popular stuff first so your not worrying about finance as stress is no good for creativity.

I really do not agree with that. Or maybe I'm missing your point? Not trying to be hostile in any way but just seems a bit weird coming from a producer whose made a lot of underground music (which I love, just for the record) with a lot of integrity and made a big success out of it.

rob sparx wrote:This whole holier than thou crap has got well out of hand with this scene puts me off writing progressive music tbh and does anyone other than 15 year olds on utube actually give a shit if this or that music is called dubstep anyway?

Jake Daniel wrote:

rob sparx wrote:I would advise producers with broad tastes in music but without good connections to ignore the waffle on here and write whats popular if it means you get to wind up a few miserable tits in the process then thats an added bonus. That in no way means you can't write artistic music as well (look at Reso's eps for instance) but prioritise and do the popular stuff first so your not worrying about finance as stress is no good for creativity.

I really do not agree with that. Or maybe I'm missing your point? Not trying to be hostile in any way but just seems a bit weird coming from a producer whose made a lot of underground music (which I love, just for the record) with a lot of integrity and made a big success out of it.

Same here. Is the case so desperate that now you have to write/play what's popular and compromise yourself to then write/play what you wanted to do from the start ? I read it this way and it makes me want to cry rivers, sorry if I misunderstood your point.

Jake Daniel wrote:

rob sparx wrote:I would advise producers with broad tastes in music but without good connections to ignore the waffle on here and write whats popular if it means you get to wind up a few miserable tits in the process then thats an added bonus. That in no way means you can't write artistic music as well (look at Reso's eps for instance) but prioritise and do the popular stuff first so your not worrying about finance as stress is no good for creativity.

I really do not agree with that. Or maybe I'm missing your point? Not trying to be hostile in any way but just seems a bit weird coming from a producer whose made a lot of underground music (which I love, just for the record) with a lot of integrity and made a big success out of it.

Thanks mate but I've spent most of the last 10 years writing underground music and tbh ive had enough of being skint all the time, integrity is great but compliments don't pay bills and its hard to focus when u have stress in your life. I'm just saying to producers out there not to let trolling put them off writing music thats actually popular - is a better approach for most producers to write both popular and underground music than to just focus on underground or get known writing popular music then start breaking the rules rather than the other way round

You'll always compromise yourself one way or another. You think 9/5 jobs don't require compromises?

I don't see why an artist has so suffer an empty stomach just because they chose to be musicians.

rob sparx wrote:

Jake Daniel wrote:

rob sparx wrote:I would advise producers with broad tastes in music but without good connections to ignore the waffle on here and write whats popular if it means you get to wind up a few miserable tits in the process then thats an added bonus. That in no way means you can't write artistic music as well (look at Reso's eps for instance) but prioritise and do the popular stuff first so your not worrying about finance as stress is no good for creativity.

I really do not agree with that. Or maybe I'm missing your point? Not trying to be hostile in any way but just seems a bit weird coming from a producer whose made a lot of underground music (which I love, just for the record) with a lot of integrity and made a big success out of it.

Thanks mate but I've spent most of the last 10 years writing underground music and tbh ive had enough of being skint all the time, integrity is great but compliments don't pay bills and its hard to focus when u have stress in your life. I'm just saying to producers out there not to let trolling put them off writing music thats actually popular - is a better approach for most producers to write both popular and underground music than to just focus on underground or get known writing popular music then start breaking the rules rather than the other way round

it's absurd how often artists are attacked for writing some music that has popular appeal - and it always seems that those attacks come from people who have no experience actually trying to make a living as an artist. IMO, if you can write some popular music that will pay your bills and make it so you don't have to stress about money, that's brilliant - it gives you more time and clearer head to write the stuff that's really important to you.

So is popular a synonym for shit now?

Zomby used to make generic wobblers, but (correct me if I'm wrong) he didn't get big until he started doing stuff that was really different and no one had heard before. Zomby EP? That shit is insane.
Compromising your music for the sake of popularity is dooming it from the start isn't it? At the end of the day it'l be forgotten just like 1000 other generic bangers. Once it goes out of fashion, what are you left with?
I'm not going to "do popular stuff" for the sake of exposure if I'm not genuinely feeling it. People can spot that shit a mile off.
Call me optimistic, but having some artistic integrity is what will pay off in the long run.
Not slating you here, Mr Sparx. Much respect for what you've done, but that seems like pretty dodgy advice to be giving.