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-[2]DAY_- wrote:

Big Freq wrote:Do you know why they don't incorporate VSTs [in Reason]?

Lol
because its not a DAW
it's a MIDI production suite that was engineered to provide synths, samplers, effects and extras needed to generate/process sounds, with a built in sequencer and ReWire capability to route its outputs to a channel in almost any DAW.

in other words, it doesn't incorporate VSTs because it IS a VST


Reason is 100000X more like a VST than a DAW. just cuz it has its own sequencer does not make this untrue.

yeah if u got record it makes it more of a daw. and since i can completely compose a song with reason i consider it a daw. i know that will start a whole argument but its just what i consider it.

reason and record is really all you need though. like i said before jakwob produces with ONLY reason and record...so its more than capable.

-[2]DAY_- wrote:

Big Freq wrote:Do you know why they don't incorporate VSTs [in Reason]?

Lol
because its not a DAW
it's a MIDI production suite that was engineered to provide synths, samplers, effects and extras needed to generate/process sounds, with a built in sequencer and ReWire capability to route its outputs to a channel in almost any DAW.

in other words, it doesn't incorporate VSTs because it IS a VST


Reason is 100000X more like a VST than a DAW. just cuz it has its own sequencer does not make this untrue.

No need to talk down to me buddy... its just music production software. fair enough?

I get what your saying though. Thanks.

It's capable but it's a massive hassle. Making a track in Reason feels like your trying to swim upstream but somebody has wrapped your entire body in cellophane so you have no available limbs to paddle.

Ableton gives you a speedboat and a life ring to chuck to the drowning Reason user XD

I used Reason for almost 2 years and thought it was great but when I moved to Ableton I was like, "Why did I just waste the last two years?". Reason is fun to play around with but even though it CAN provide top quality results I still wouldn't consider it a wise move for someone intending to take production seriously.

paravrais wrote:It's capable but it's a massive hassle. Making a track in Reason feels like your trying to swim upstream but somebody has wrapped your entire body in cellophane so you have no available limbs to paddle.

Ableton gives you a speedboat and a life ring to chuck to the drowning Reason user XD

I used Reason for almost 2 years and thought it was great but when I moved to Ableton I was like, "Why did I just waste the last two years?". Reason is fun to play around with but even though it CAN provide top quality results I still wouldn't consider it a wise move for someone intending to take production seriously.

I had that same progression

Reason->Ableton

Did you start with FL too?

paravrais wrote:It's capable but it's a massive hassle. Making a track in Reason feels like your trying to swim upstream but somebody has wrapped your entire body in cellophane so you have no available limbs to paddle.

Ableton gives you a speedboat and a life ring to chuck to the drowning Reason user XD

I used Reason for almost 2 years and thought it was great but when I moved to Ableton I was like, "Why did I just waste the last two years?". Reason is fun to play around with but even though it CAN provide top quality results I still wouldn't consider it a wise move for someone intending to take production seriously.

tell that to jakwob and widdler and funtcase etc...

although i admit some of them now do use logic for some things. but widdler just started using logic pretty recently. many of his tracks are just w reason/record...

once i get my head around production a bit better i might pick up logic. but right now im already into reason so im here to stay for a bit..

lol talking down....
don't get soft on me, c'mon now

and no i'm not talking to my dick :p

lyons238 wrote:tell that to jakwob and widdler and funtcase etc...
although i admit some of them now do use logic for some things. but widdler just started using logic pretty recently. many of his tracks are just w reason/record...
once i get my head around production a bit better i might pick up logic. but right now im already into reason so im here to stay for a bit..

That's exactly what I used to say (except funtcase, his tunes sound awful). But the fact is, I never said it *couldn't* be done. It just takes a lot of extra work and like you said, those artists are spending less and less time in Reason now they are familiar with logic. There;s no doubt you can do great things with Reason but it's never going to be *as* good as what you would be achieving if you learnt a different program.

@Big Freq - Nah I didn't start in FL, I had a dabble in garageband before I got Reason though XD

-[2]DAY_- wrote:lol talking down....
don't get soft on me, c'mon now

and no i'm not talking to my dick :p

cyberneticghost wrote:Since you said you're a guitar player I assume you're going to be doing a lot of recording so I would rule out reason and while FL does allow you to record audio it does it in an odd way.

This is not true. Please disregard this ^ post.

Well Ableton is the one that seems to have come up most frequently, so definitely leaning towards that (will try the demo though)
In terms of specific genres of music, are there plenty of things like synths (for dubstep), or would it be worth investing in a proper nice one, (e.g. massive), basically, would it be worth the extra money?

Yes almost all of the major DAWs have everything you need to produce and I would learn the synths/instruments/plugins that come equipped with the DAW first before purchasing a third party one. They can all pretty much produce any sound you might want

Try a couple of demos and really do some tutorials on the basics (creating tracks, routing, automation, sampling, effects, etc) and see what you like best.

Renoise is my DAW of choice, it's an absolute beast and I think it's the easiest out of all the DAWs. Don't really take too much stock in what someone says is the easiest or the hardest, essentially it just depends on what kind of workflow resonates the most with you personally (that and most DAWs people are used to are horizontal sequencers, whereas Renoise is a vertical trackker, basically you work from different directions, but it mainly means that they've just gotten so used to sequencers that trackers make no sense to them. I started with trackers and they make a lot more sense to me)

lyons238 wrote:personally id rule out cubase and pro tools. cubase is somewhat hard to learn iv heard and pro tools is a money pit more dedicated to recording...

This is awful advice imo - cubase is one of the most powerful and amazing programs out, and they are all "somewhat hard to learn" ffs..

I am well past underestimating fruityloops, keep hearing the most bullshit (creative and well produced) tunes being made on it and often find myself envious of the sounds of its native vst's, by the sounds of it you already like the interface, which sounds like one of the most user-friendly out, so I recommend sticking with it!

Besides that I'd say ableton because of its versatility and general awesomeness....

Seems i have started a little reason debate ^^ aha
Apart from that, any other tips when I finally get started? Im guessing keyboard shortcuts are useful to know? Apart from that, is a keyboard/controller of some sort vital?
Oh and this i slightly veering off topic but in terms of non-mac laptops (going to need one for uni anyway), but if i was to do music production/recording, any laptops people would recommend? I know that is slightly off topic, but you guys are probs the best people to ask cause you are already producing i assume? aha

cheers

Where is the reason debate? No reason debate at all.