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technically it's actually 7/4. (technically)

In regards to time signatures, the top no. indicates how many and the bottom number indicates the note value.

e.g.

4/4 = 4 quarter notes in a bar
7/8 = 7 eighth notes in a bar
9/8 = 9 eighth notes in a bar

etc.

a tune in 7/8 within the dubstep half time context would involve the snare being on the 5.

Try doing something in 15/8 - that's the nuts

seriously, this tune is too big...please get in touch mate!

blissfully deep!

everybody needs to peep this and get acquainted!

I don't care if 678/3 or dj friendly, you have made a fucking excellent tune there. Proper deep, involving tune. Would love a full quality cut and a listen to other stuff

cheers for all the compliments, its appreciated

@ bubonic : you can hear more stuff here http://www.myspace.com/altairuk but none of its dubstep...although the track "rock your soul" is on a chilled out dubby vibe

This is great. Really deep.

I think it's important not to fetishize the complexity of time alternative signatures for the sake of compositional and timbral qualities and this one is jsut a great and interesting piece of music without it shouting 'look at me, look at me I'm in a strange time signature.'

Biggup.

thomas e. griffin wrote:This is great. Really deep.

I think it's important not to fetishize the complexity of time alternative signatures for the sake of compositional and timbral qualities and this one is jsut a great and interesting piece of music without it shouting 'look at me, look at me I'm in a strange time signature.'

Biggup.

good point

on the the other hand its way to easy to stick to the regular 4/4 every time, like there isn't something else (some people actually think that), while imho the most musically music is written in other timesignatures than only 4/4 (actually, more timesignatures at the same time )
so i won't blame anyone who is doing something else than 4/4 just for the sake of it.

moosed wrote:cheers for all the compliments, its appreciated

@ bubonic : you can hear more stuff here http://www.myspace.com/altairuk but none of its dubstep...although the track "rock your soul" is on a chilled out dubby vibe

I listened to the stuff on you myspace page, really good stuff man. Level of production and musicality are top draw. Most enjoyable and something I will buy.

T-mus wrote: on the the other hand its way to easy to stick to the regular 4/4 every time, like there isn't something else (some people actually think that), while imho the most musically music is written in other timesignatures than only 4/4 (actually, more timesignatures at the same time )
so i won't blame anyone who is doing something else than 4/4 just for the sake of it.

I know what you mean, but I don't think that the 4/4 time signature will ever be boring. There's so much room for experimentation within it. Polyrhythms within a 4/4 are the basis of most Black popular music and so far, at least as far as I can hear, dubstep is some of the most rhythmically innovative music I've heard in a long time.

Take Vex'd's Lion V.I.P. for example. That track is in 4/4 but the polyrhythms in it are absolutely all over the place and it sounds incredible. (But it does, I suppose, go someway towards contradicting what I said before about not fetishizing rhythmic complexity even though the rest of the tune is still boss)

I dunno. I think there's plenty room for experimentation in 4/4 but I'm not adverse to hearing stuff in other time sigs so long as the rest of the piece doesn't suffer as a consequence.

Moody G wrote:As the whole idea of dubstep is to make music with a certain feel but without boundaries, this is really a welcome direction. Any production issues aside (snare eq, whatever else....), I don't think you even need to have a DJ friendly version of this. That's another great thing about dubstep, all mixing doesn't have to be super tight, there is room for experimentation. I would hope that dubstep crowds don't get lulled into the formulaic wobble/drop/whatever else vibe and are ready to be challenged, even if the wobble does and will have and deserve its place. I think that's what most of dubsteppers got into this for in the first place, the challenge and freshness of the sounds. I know I left (more or less) DNB for this reason. I would clear the freakin' floor with anything different! whatever....

To sum up: 7/8 = good.

Fat fat tune, moosed!! Definitely want to know when this is going to be released.

The whole time signature thing has been explained a couple of times already, but here's another angle: once you feel the pulse in a piece of music, just starting counting beats until you hear the beat loop around. In just about any music that you'll come across in Western Europe or North America, you'll count either 4 or 8 beats before you hear the groove loop around/start over. In this track, just count the pulses up to 7, then start at 1 again. Some people prefer to see "7" as a count of (for example) 3 beats plus 4 beats -- so for example in this track you could count 1-2-3, 1-2-3-4, 1-2-3, 1-2-3-4, and so on -- which can make it easier to keep track when you're first figuring out new time signatures and new riddems.

thomas e. griffin wrote:dubstep is some of the most rhythmically innovative music I've heard in a long time.

if you mean dance music i totally agree, (where i don't qualify idm as dancemusic at all, autechre is doing some pffff stuff, and steve reich is till alive so there you go)

Take Vex'd's Lion V.I.P. for example. That track is in 4/4 but the polyrhythms in it are absolutely all over the place and it sounds incredible. (But it does, I suppose, go someway towards contradicting what I said before about not fetishizing rhythmic complexity even though the rest of the tune is still boss)

i never actually learned anything about musical theories and stuff, so i don't know what polyrhythm actually means, but i always thought is was one rhytm with another one on top wich is shorter or longer than the other but they match every X numer of bars
like XXXH being the length of rythm a and VVVVA the length of b

XXXH XXXH XXXH XXXH XXXH
VVVV AVVV VAVV VVAV VVVX

but where going a bit off topic here i belive.

T-mus wrote:

thomas e. griffin wrote:dubstep is some of the most rhythmically innovative music I've heard in a long time.

if you mean dance music i totally agree, (where i don't qualify idm as dancemusic at all, autechre is doing some pffff stuff, and steve reich is till alive so there you go)

Take Vex'd's Lion V.I.P. for example. That track is in 4/4 but the polyrhythms in it are absolutely all over the place and it sounds incredible. (But it does, I suppose, go someway towards contradicting what I said before about not fetishizing rhythmic complexity even though the rest of the tune is still boss)

i never actually learned anything about musical theories and stuff, so i don't know what polyrhythm actually means, but i always thought is was one rhytm with another one on top wich is shorter or longer than the other but they match every X numer of bars
like XXXH being the length of rythm a and VVVVA the length of b

XXXH XXXH XXXH XXXH XXXH
VVVV AVVV VAVV VVAV VVVX

but where going a bit off topic here i belive.

Yeah I mean dance music. Autechre Kill it with the crazy riddims though. Draft 7.30 is like brain excercise to listen to. I saw em in Manchester a bit ago and it was literally entranced. It was deep.

I reckon that explanation of polyrhythm is kind of right.
What I understand of polyrhythm is basically two or more rhythms playing against each other.

eg. In the space it takes for one of the rhythms to play 2 even beats, another rhythm might play 3.


The juxtaposition of the two rhythms creates a new rhythmic interest.

or

in the space it takes to one rhythm to play 4 beats another might play 7.

There are any number of variations and variations of variation getting more complex to listen to.

Lion V.I.P is an example where you hear the strange rhythm on it's own first. and then it's put into the context of 4/4 at the drop.

I know it's kindof of topic, but it's fairly relevent.

that's a proper song!

Yeah i like this very much, i think it will mix well with 'careless love', go DJ give it a try =¬D
Don't usually listen to the more laid back tunes but this really hits the spot, i'd like to hear the bass up a little, a minor quibble.
320?
rh

pete bubonic wrote:

moosed wrote:cheers for all the compliments, its appreciated

@ bubonic : you can hear more stuff here http://www.myspace.com/altairuk but none of its dubstep...although the track "rock your soul" is on a chilled out dubby vibe

I listened to the stuff on you myspace page, really good stuff man. Level of production and musicality are top draw. Most enjoyable and something I will buy.

cheers dude

oh and does anyone have any label suggestions who might put stuff like this out ??

I work with 3/4 alot of the time always with Dubstep in mind.
In fact I believe that both of the tunes up on my myspace are in 3/4!!
What shameless plug that was

nice atmosphere there

some hihats at the intro and outro could workaround that 3/4

Yes that is a wicked tune and to me its definately on the dubstep tip the only thing is, if thats a rough version you have very high standards,which is a creditable thing.Loving that groove.
Peace.
FUJ.

5/4 joint

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Incase anyone cares...you can now hear the final version here : www.myspace.com/altairuk