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Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 2:03 pm
by farmaz
spooKs wrote:on that topic though, i think you'd be giving g dub a little more praise than he deserves in the whole 'killing drum and bass' thing. there's more than a few important steps in that ten year gap you've left out that changed what we think of as the dnb scene...no?
we of the dubstep world would be in a very precarious position if genres like early 90s jungle could suddenly morph into overproduced cheesey uber-jump up drum and bass just because of the will of a single post-2000 producer...
sorry andy c & shimon put a huge nail in the coffin by doing bodyrock, that was like a dose of plague injected into the bassbins of the jungle scene imo
Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 2:08 pm
by farmaz
so back to my point, any halfstep sets anywhere?.........dont have to be a loefah set i dont care who mixed it tbh
Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 2:45 pm
by Littlefoot
Farmaz wrote:so back to my point, any halfstep sets anywhere?.........dont have to be a loefah set i dont care who mixed it tbh
pretty much anything from last year to be honest mate!
Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 3:34 pm
by shonky
tronman wrote:try some of the bristol stuff, i find most of it 'stoned in my bedroom' snorestep but theres some deep beats comin from briz
Snorestep!!!
Joe C wrote:Farmaz wrote:so back to my point, any halfstep sets anywhere?.........dont have to be a loefah set i dont care who mixed it tbh
pretty much anything from last year to be honest mate!
Pretty much everything from last year wasn't it
Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 4:13 pm
by colm
good thread, interesting to read people's take on the interpretation of what 'dub' means in dubstep. i was always kind of unsure but i think it's definitely more than a reference to the dubplate culture. the way delay is used, offbeat reggae style chords, the tempo, choice of vocal samples etc. etc., not to mention the soundclash type vibe you get at dmz.
having said all that, what i love most about dubstep is that you can hear influences from so many places. it was the halfbeat stuff that got me into it originally, and though i wouldn't go as far as saying that's been taken to its limit, i'm definitely more into the busier beats now, particularly the really technoey sounding tunes. never sleep again.....
Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 4:32 pm
by thinking
Badga Tek wrote:Farmaz wrote: i throught this dubstep was born outta Jah shaka, king tubby, Mr Pablo sound i mean slow skanky beats with solid 40hz bass
Nope. It evolved out of the darker 2-step garage. The dub in dubstep doesn't literally refer to dub reggae in itself but more to a certain kind of aesthetic or production technique. It was a reference to the way producers hollowed out the original 2-step template, creating a greater sense of space
i always believed the 'dub' bit in dubstep was used to differentiate between the darker 2-step beats without vocals and the vocal versions i.e. the dub version on the flip. tbh around the 2002-era the only producers using a lot of real 'dub' effects like delays, spring reverbs and dub vocal samples were horsepower & maybe kode unless I'm forgetting someone??
Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 5:00 pm
by spooKs
well Dub in the sense of the genre comes from the dubbed or instrumental reggae B sides in the same way that you're talking about the garage b sides, the dub reggae production was entwined with that to begin with innit...
dub is dub, no mere mortal can comprehend the depth of this concept
Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 5:49 pm
by tronman
spooKs wrote:garage b sides
exactamundo
Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 5:54 pm
by dj slums
Joe C wrote:feel the halfstep backlash!
I just hope the movers and shakers dont get too involved in thinking about what rhythm they are using "at the moment" and just keep making good dubs.
here here!!
Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 8:44 pm
by badga tek
ThinKing wrote:Badga Tek wrote:Farmaz wrote: i throught this dubstep was born outta Jah shaka, king tubby, Mr Pablo sound i mean slow skanky beats with solid 40hz bass
Nope. It evolved out of the darker 2-step garage. The dub in dubstep doesn't literally refer to dub reggae in itself but more to a certain kind of aesthetic or production technique. It was a reference to the way producers hollowed out the original 2-step template, creating a greater sense of space
i always believed the 'dub' bit in dubstep was used to differentiate between the darker 2-step beats without vocals and the vocal versions i.e. the dub version on the flip. tbh around the 2002-era the only producers using a lot of real 'dub' effects like delays, spring reverbs and dub vocal samples were horsepower & maybe kode unless I'm forgetting someone??
Fair. To be honest, I'm sure you and Oneman know more about it than me. I only got into the sound in 2005
Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 10:08 pm
by blackdown
Farmaz wrote:so back to my point, any halfstep sets anywhere?.........dont have to be a loefah set i dont care who mixed it tbh
I'm still hosting this
Loefah v Youngsta set from 2005.
Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 11:14 pm
by logos
ThinKing wrote:
i always believed the 'dub' bit in dubstep was used to differentiate between the darker 2-step beats without vocals and the vocal versions i.e. the dub version on the flip. tbh around the 2002-era the only producers using a lot of real 'dub' effects like delays, spring reverbs and dub vocal samples were horsepower & maybe kode unless I'm forgetting someone??
I think thats pretty close to the mark. Anyway lets not forget 'dubstep' was not thought about and analysed on forums etc before being adopted...its just one of many off-hand post-garage labels which stuck.
Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 11:37 pm
by rekordah
tronman wrote:ttheres some deep beats comin from briz
u kno! lol
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Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 1:37 am
by plastician
DJ Wonder - What
This tune inspired a huge mass of half step in both grime and dubstep
Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 9:38 am
by farmaz
Blackdown wrote:Farmaz wrote:so back to my point, any halfstep sets anywhere?.........dont have to be a loefah set i dont care who mixed it tbh
I'm still hosting this
Loefah v Youngsta set from 2005.
thanx.
Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 11:13 pm
by kazuo
thanks a lot for the set !!
btw i can't wait for allstars 5. the tracklist looks so fucking mindblowing
http://www.discogs.com/release/957978
Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 3:44 am
by dj slums
no way do i think halfstep has had its day, still too many wickid tunes comin. lots of wank boring ones too, but loads of people bringin their halfstep styles to the floor. its good.
Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 4:23 am
by vxd1
Plasticman wrote:DJ Wonder - What
Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 4:45 am
by jayar
Farmaz wrote:spooKs wrote:on that topic though, i think you'd be giving g dub a little more praise than he deserves in the whole 'killing drum and bass' thing. there's more than a few important steps in that ten year gap you've left out that changed what we think of as the dnb scene...no?
sorry andy c & shimon put a huge nail in the coffin by doing bodyrock, that was like a dose of plague injected into the bassbins of the jungle scene imo
seriously, what a lame arse thing to write. no offence.
one the one hand, youre agreeing with sentiments about dubstep producers not sticking to one type of rhythm, and then dissing body rock which was a completely differently timed rhythm for any d&b out at the time. yeah, unfortunately it got thrashed to fuck and most people got sick of it.
if anything, the likes of gen dub and the 'wobble' sound has more in common with the early jungle vibes with all its syncopation, delays etc than some of the lifeless bassless neurofuck 180bpm 2-step technoid shit that passes itself off as d&b these days.
anyway, back on topic. i like halfstep too.