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firky wrote:

yoowan wrote:whenever I buy a record on vinyl I almost always pirate it too
cant be arsed with any of that USB converting nonsense

Aye, it's quicker to dl, than rip - mad

Unfortunately...this^ I have an illegal copy of every tune I have ever bought, so i can listen to tunes through headphones when I have a cigarette etc instead of having to whack it on the turntables. Although I still spend more than I can afford on beatport boomkat and juno. I blame their regular enticing emails and instant purchases with paypal.


Pirating is fine, loads of people do it. What is important is that, if you really like what you pirate, go out and buy it when you have the dollar. Only fair to those artists who spent time and effort making you feel that way.

snypadub wrote:

firky wrote:

yoowan wrote:whenever I buy a record on vinyl I almost always pirate it too
cant be arsed with any of that USB converting nonsense

Aye, it's quicker to dl, than rip - mad

Unfortunately...this^ I have an illegal copy of every tune I have ever bought, so i can listen to tunes through headphones when I have a cigarette etc instead of having to whack it on the turntables. Although I still spend more than I can afford on beatport boomkat and juno. I blame their regular enticing emails and instant purchases with paypal.


Pirating is fine, loads of people do it. What is important is that, if you really like what you pirate, go out and buy it when you have the dollar. Only fair to those artists who spent time and effort making you feel that way.

+1 on everything snypadub just said, spot on imo

Piracy has done great stuff for many artists. There are a few interesting studies done and it's apparent that the industry is changing, but I only see it changing for the better. Extremely large labels are becoming irrelevant. The entire industry as a net worth is made more and more of smaller labels every year, and yes sometimes a leak can sling profits up some extra. Plus, in this age where music (and much of what we "have") is made up of a tiny collection of 0s and 1s that can be reproduced a million times, it's harder to see certain things as just commodities, and how you can "steal" such things.

the key is not discussing it it always goes on, you latest gen just make it too damn public you fucking attention whores
ffs ed ruish and op did h20 etching on thge low you kids now scream from the highest mountain ehy piracy gets legal ramifications you fucking morons

hendramarshall wrote:

snypadub wrote:

firky wrote:

yoowan wrote:whenever I buy a record on vinyl I almost always pirate it too
cant be arsed with any of that USB converting nonsense

Aye, it's quicker to dl, than rip - mad

Unfortunately...this^ I have an illegal copy of every tune I have ever bought, so i can listen to tunes through headphones when I have a cigarette etc instead of having to whack it on the turntables. Although I still spend more than I can afford on beatport boomkat and juno. I blame their regular enticing emails and instant purchases with paypal.


Pirating is fine, loads of people do it. What is important is that, if you really like what you pirate, go out and buy it when you have the dollar. Only fair to those artists who spent time and effort making you feel that way.

+1 on everything snypadub just said, spot on imo

make that a +2

Personally don't think there's really an excuse for pirating music. I can see the logic behind DLing something you've bought on wax though.

Think about it, you'd happily spend £1.29 on a bottle of Coke, or a bag of crisps and a chocolate bar. So is £1.29(ish?!) that much to ask for, for a piece of music someone has put an awful lot of effort into making, and something you'll get a lot of enjoyment from.

DRTY wrote:Personally don't think there's really an excuse for pirating music.

the only excuse you need is that it's easier to pirate than it is to buy

It's like how they don't check your ticket on the metro, you can't expect people to pay based on morals, it's ridiculous

The current rehash of copyright laws that means that you can (or will be) able to own a song in any format as long as you purchased it legitimately so if you buy it on vinyl you're entitled to download a digital copy since you already own the rights for the material to be in your possession. Its not the act of you downloading it that is illegal then, it's someone making it available to download to people that don't have the right to ownership under copyright law as they haven't purchased a legitimate copy which isn't your problem. You could then, under these guidelines, buy a tune on mp3 and then copy a vinyl...

I'm not even sure that making material available to download is illegal anyway since I've only ever heard of people having lawsuits aimed at them for downloading material I think, though I may be wrong?

DRTY wrote:Personally don't think there's really an excuse for pirating music. I can see the logic behind DLing something you've bought on wax though.

There are plenty of very valid reasons. Just a few (not saying I personally use any of these):
-The artist is dead. For example, in the case of Gil-Scott (RIP), your money would go to the label and his estate. His estate didn't make the music though
-Out of print/hard to find releases. Anti-War Dub is amazing, but the only way to legally get it now is to pay $50+ to someone on ebay/discogs which doesn't really help Mala at all. I thought the whole point of music was supporting the artist?
-The artist and/or label could be huge assholes and you don't want to give them your money

Obviously, I didn't cover the entire argument, but I think I made it clear that it's not black and white.

collige wrote:

DRTY wrote: -The artist and/or label could be huge assholes and you don't want to give them your money

zomby/j_j innit?

collige wrote:His estate didn't make the music though

this is nuts. so, his grandmother or aunt shouldn't benefit from his music after his death? ODB had 13 kids when he died. according to your thinking, they don't deserve to benefit from their father's creative work.

i buy vinyl, pay a spotify subscription for £10 a month, and use a lot of youtube (usually until the stuff on here see's a vinyl release)

saying that i just got hold of the new battles album...

seckle wrote:

collige wrote:His estate didn't make the music though

this is nuts. so, his grandmother or aunt shouldn't benefit from his music after his death? ODB had 13 kids when he died. according to your thinking, they don't deserve to benefit from their father's creative work.

(not saying I personally use any of these)

Artists don't make any ££ from 2nd hand record shops or ebay sales, don't hear anyone bitchin about that.

deadly habit wrote:the key is not discussing it it always goes on, you latest gen just make it too damn public you fucking attention whores
ffs ed ruish and op did h20 etching on thge low you kids now scream from the highest mountain ehy piracy gets legal ramifications you fucking morons

Bottom line is it's a morally wrong act that has benefits and disadvantages for the artist and the listener. I pay for music I like, usually after I have downloaded it illegally or at least checked to see if it is on youtube first of all. As a result I've certainly bought more music since the advent of large scale broadband (2003ish) than I ever did previously.

I doubt I'd ever have bought everything I could buy Ikonika if I didn't have the liberty of being able to download her stuff illegally before hand. Now I just buy her stuff on the strength of her name alone and I trust it.

That last sentence is appalling English but you get the gist.

deadly habit wrote:the key is not discussing it it always goes on, you latest gen just make it too damn public you fucking attention whores
ffs ed ruish and op did h20 etching on thge low you kids now scream from the highest mountain ehy piracy gets legal ramifications you fucking morons

I do see where you're coming from habit. I apologize if talk like this is can cause harm to this forum, i mean this with all honesty.

I can see what your saying with how us new generation is open about this subject, I've always been extremely open about this file sharing shiz.

But attention whores, thats not fucking necessary. Fucking morrons? Why you actin so heated towards all these people youv'e never even met. Do you know any big time producers who have lost fortunes off their tracks being illegaly downloaded? I'm going to go out on a limb and say, no. And you know what if artists had an issue with this kind of shit why don't they do something? It's not like it would be hard to find it, they know its there. It's stealing, which is illegal. Legal actions can be taken. I don't hear too much about that stuff though, do you?

I tend to keep my cool when i see shit i don't like/dont agree with. I didn't fucking like this.

Welcome the new generation, were not so bad. Really.
not trying to start shit here.

@deadly habbit: Btw, i checked out your facebook. You're track 'Sludge' is pretty dope. You got some good fuckin sample edit skills