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contakt321 wrote:I am actually in the market for JV or XV on a bargain - great for bread and butter sounds.

http://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/msg/2472372276.html

Thanks everyone for links - I am seasoned gear buyer.

For anyone who is interested, $150 is the going rate for a JV-1080
Also: $200-250 is the going rate for a Korg M1 or M1R - that said, the M1 sounds are most of the Korg workstations (M3, N5, etc)

I am patient and will wait until I find a JV for $100, or for $150 with the expansion cards I want.

Actually that price isn't bad with 4 expansion cards installed. He didn't list what cards are in there, but a lot of them go for 100 - 150 by themselves.

Edit... Reading that ad again, he just said slots. Read it too fast the first time on mi phone. NM..

I bought my JV-1080 for $200 with the Vintage Synth expansion card installed. That is one of the cards that often goes for 100 - 150. Same with the Keyboards of the 60's & 70's.

It's kind of interesting that, apart from the M1 VST, there's not much interest in doing that sort of sample-based synthesis in VST form...

contakt321 wrote:Thanks everyone for links - I am seasoned gear buyer.

For anyone who is interested, $150 is the going rate for a JV-1080
Also: $200-250 is the going rate for a Korg M1 or M1R - that said, the M1 sounds are most of the Korg workstations (M3, N5, etc)

I am patient and will wait until I find a JV for $100, or for $150 with the expansion cards I want.

I think you, mks and myself are all seasoned buyers friend. I only linked that slightly overpriced jv1080 just cause i had seen it when trolling through craigslist.

Good luck finding what you want. What type of gear you running right now?

collective wrote:
I think you, mks and myself are all seasoned buyers friend. I only linked that slightly overpriced jv1080 just cause i had seen it when trolling through craigslist.

Good luck finding what you want. What type of gear you running right now?

Sorry if I came off ungrateful, no offense intended at all!

I am just super patient and try to buy all my gear undervalued, that way, if I test it out and don't like it, I can flip it and buy something else guilt free - slow but fun way to try a bunch of stuff!

Current setup:
E-Mu SP-1200
Akai MPC2000
Roland MC-202
Roland MC-303
Roland MKS-50
Korg M1
Yamaha TX81Z

Next up, hardware reverb and hardware delay - debating on going really lofi and getting a cheap analog delay pedal or going for an unpopular 80's rack mount. I am waiting for a deal on a MidiVerb II as well.

You?

Fsueh PMed me his setup which sounded awesome, you should post in here.

PS: to all the other readers (to get back on topic) - making music 10-20 years ago was hard (in some ways), and expensive (for real). In general, assume that the simplest technique is what people did. Many records (garage, house, etc) were done with ONLY a sampler and a sequencer (ie: Akai S-3000 + a computer, etc). Same with house - tons of classics were done just on an MPC-60. A lot of the garage classics were probably just an S-3000 and an M1. For automation people most recorded the moves live, or recorded a loop out of the synth adjusting the knob and then just sampled it. Ableton + the Korg M1 VST today is infinitely more powerful than the setups of 99% of garage producers in 2000.

contakt321 wrote:Ableton + the Korg M1 VST today is infinitely more powerful than the setups of 99% of garage producers in 2000.

Someone sig that shit.

contakt321 wrote:

collective wrote:
I think you, mks and myself are all seasoned buyers friend. I only linked that slightly overpriced jv1080 just cause i had seen it when trolling through craigslist.

Good luck finding what you want. What type of gear you running right now?

Sorry if I came off ungrateful, no offense intended at all!

I am just super patient and try to buy all my gear undervalued, that way, if I test it out and don't like it, I can flip it and buy something else guilt free - slow but fun way to try a bunch of stuff!

Current setup:
E-Mu SP-1200
Akai MPC2000
Roland MC-202
Roland MC-303
Roland MKS-50
Korg M1
Yamaha TX81Z

Next up, hardware reverb and hardware delay - debating on going really lofi and getting a cheap analog delay pedal or going for an unpopular 80's rack mount. I am waiting for a deal on a MidiVerb II as well.

You?

Fsueh PMed me his setup which sounded awesome, you should post in here.

PS: to all the other readers (to get back on topic) - making music 10-20 years ago was hard (in some ways), and expensive (for real). In general, assume that the simplest technique is what people did. Many records (garage, house, etc) were done with ONLY a sampler and a sequencer (ie: Akai S-3000 + a computer, etc). Same with house - tons of classics were done just on an MPC-60. A lot of the garage classics were probably just an S-3000 and an M1. For automation people most recorded the moves live, or recorded a loop out of the synth adjusting the knob and then just sampled it. Ableton + the Korg M1 VST today is infinitely more powerful than the setups of 99% of garage producers in 2000.

My setup:
Dx7
Roland fb01
Moog mg-1
73 Rhodes suitcase
Few custom pedals and a re amp box for sending linelevel signal out to them
Few handheld tape recorders
Handheld portable reel to reel

Then a bunch of mics and tons of instruments (from the tuba to drums)

Open Fruity Loops or Fl Studio and use the "TS909" plugin and just use whatever drum samples are in Fl or find your own.

collective wrote:Then a bunch of mics

Namely...?

Jus' sayin' I got my JV2080 for 80 pound with the dance expansion card off ebay. Wait around and it'll come!

nowaysj wrote:

collective wrote:Then a bunch of mics

Namely...?

well shit my favs are the Oktava (joly modded) Rhodes Nt1 and Nt2 (proper U87 sounding), couple stereo nt5 pairs, lots 57s, 58s, an vintage 57, st69, and the Joly modified apex 205..


there are more, could list for days. Joly does the best mods, check out the gearslutz shooutout his mods out class u47 and u87 and the ribbons outclass coles!

http://www.oktavamodshop.com/index.php?cPath=1

contakt321 wrote: Next up, hardware reverb and hardware delay - debating on going really lofi and getting a cheap analog delay pedal or going for an unpopular 80's rack mount. I am waiting for a deal on a MidiVerb II as well.

i'll give you this-- nothing else sounds like a midiverb, for better or worse

FWIW the roland space echo pedal is bananas for reverb-- doesn't sound too far off from my actual space echo, but with the added pluses of always turning on, not having the knobs crackle, and having a WAY hotter output. we're just beginning to incorporate them into our live sets-- super exciting.

Like many people have said already, but yeah some of the things that were used back in the day

- Akai MPC60 or 2000XL (where a lot of those classic swung drums came from)
- Emu SP1200 (Don't know a lot about this but a french House tune from the late 90s called 'Running (Intro)' by 'Alan Braxe & Fred Falke' was made entirely on this. Vocal samples, drums. The classic bassline was of course played on live bass but was sampled straight into the SP I think.
- Akai S3000, S950, etc etc
- Korg M1 (Pianos, vibes, and that classic garage percussive organ (think 'R U Sleeping', 'Show Me Love' organ sounds).
- '73 Fender Rhodes (those who could afford these monsters, more keyboard players really. But these + a flanger was a very popular sound. Either slow flanging for a kind of slow phased/ filtered sound, or fast flanging which gave it a more 'wah wah' sound.
- Korg Triton
- Korg Trinity ((Lots of early 90s piano sounds were off this))
- Roland TB303 (Acid houssseee!!)
- Roland TR808 (more hip hop really, but a lot of the 808 kicks etc got sampled and used for sub bass sounds etc)
- Roland TR909 (classic early garage sounds, 909 style hats and claps still used in a lot of deep/ tech House stuff too)
- Roland Juno (early house and garage synth stabs, sawtooth pads/ stabs, bass sounds)
- Roland JP8000 (similar to Juno)
- Roland JV-1080
- Roland SH-101
- Emu Proteus 2500 (so many classic sounds!)

The classic piano sound was also down to the keys being played with max velocity, then a bit of chorus or flange to warm the sound up a bit and also make it a bit 'wider', followed by EQ in the higher frequencies to really bring out the 'bite', then compression and reverb.

I am grabbing a jx3p with the pg200 programmer for 300, how you feel about that. I think I enjoy the sound, I like the juno too, but this seems like a decent deal I shouldn't pass up

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collective wrote:(joly modded)

Kind of lost faith in Joly when he started pushing the mxl 2003a. Thought that mic sounded poo poo compared to others in its price range. Could pick that mic out of any blind matchup.

Have an AT 4047 coming in the post, can't wait.

guys ive been moving house and currently dont have the internet (at the parents house right now stealing their wifi) please dont think im ignoring or neglecting this thread at all, all these answers have been wicked i really appreciate them, has opened my eyes, i kind of understand what samplers people were using but less on the synthesizer side of things, might have to track down a cheap JV...

I read somewhere onliine a few months ago that the akai s-3000xl is pretty much an mpc 2000 without the pads... would this be a fair statement or is it just internet misinformation? i already have an sp 606 with pads i really like, so i could use this to control and s3000xl... only thing missing on the sp is a decent timestretch/pitchbend, man it sounds like shit!

Elkie wrote: I read somewhere onliine a few months ago that the akai s-3000xl is pretty much an mpc 2000 without the pads... would this be a fair statement or is it just internet misinformation? i already have an sp 606 with pads i really like, so i could use this to control and s3000xl... only thing missing on the sp is a decent timestretch/pitchbend, man it sounds like shit!

That might be true, I don't remember.
An important thing to note - when the MPC2000 came out, people actually didn't think it sounded good and frequently said it didn't sound as good as the MPC3000.

Why do you want to use a hardware sampler (instead of using a software one in your DAW)?
If it's for the sound, I would go with an S-950 or another 12 bit sampler, otherwise the sound difference will be minimal. The S-3000 is 16 bit, so the sound differences from it will be the converters, hitting the input a little hard and the filters - not sure if the inconvenience, cost, and slower workflow is worth it for a minimal sound difference.

you couldn't pay me to go back to using rack-mount samplers. DAW's were a fun upgrade from DAT's (and sounded better), but software sampling is what really sold a lot of people on using the computer for EVERYTHING--not just sequencing.

I'd roll with that 606, it has a sound. Think the message of this thread is not that you need x or y to produce sound z, but that the mentality of do with what you have is the real basis of that "sound".