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only now though is flopping injury in the NBA being addressed. Fucking Manu Ginobili... FUCK YOU YOU FUCKING FUCK.

Making chicken shit attempts to fool refs into thinking your injury bears merit is such a pitiful move to give you the advantage. In ANY sport.

bidwell wrote:

.onelove. wrote: Never understand why American sports revolve around such ridiculous scorelines. Basketball is literally end-to-end non-stop scoring, totally removing all emotion from a play coming off. Nothing compares to a stadium full of fans erupting to a last minute winner.

for me, it's really hard to compare any sport to another sport. i like the ridiculous scoring of basketball, it makes watching your favorite team that much more intense.
and as far as high scores taking away from the emotion from a play coming off:

http://youtu.be/8EHINX8fm64

end of discussion.

Think over the next decade Spain will have 2 nba teams that will just have to do 2 week home/away stints. NBA is getting huge worldwide.

pkay wrote: Need only look at this past years NBA finals where the dallas mavericks came back from 16 points down with 5 minutes left. That type of hysteria and excitement involved in that game is something you aren't going to see in soccer. (not saying its superior, just unique to the sport).

I love the NBA and all but that statement is rather ignorant it's only like the equivalent of a comeback from 2 goals down to winning 3-2 at the end of a football game.
edit* Manchester United Vs Bayern Munich European finals 1999

esfandyar wrote:only now though is flopping injury in the NBA being addressed. Fucking Manu Ginobili... FUCK YOU YOU FUCKING FUCK.

Making chicken shit attempts to fool refs into thinking your injury bears merit is such a pitiful move to give you the advantage. In ANY sport.

ginobli... NON AMERICAN (just saying)

tho derrick fisher is the worst flopper in nba history

I'm glad they started rescending technicals this pas year on flops. Very happy they're putting something in the CBA about flopping though.

Flopping goes against everything you're taught early on in ballin. Flopping on the asphalt courts would get your knees and hands tore up.... kinda makes me wish they played on thick rocky asphalt like ghetto playgrounds.... so if you hit the floor it better be real or you're gonna get gashed up

Pedro Sánchez wrote:

pkay wrote: Need only look at this past years NBA finals where the dallas mavericks came back from 16 points down with 5 minutes left. That type of hysteria and excitement involved in that game is something you aren't going to see in soccer. (not saying its superior, just unique to the sport).

I love the NBA and all but that statement is rather ignorant it's only like the equivalent of a comeback from 2 goals down to winning 3-2 at the end of a football game.

it is also harder to shoot a three pointer than a goal. just saying.

pkay wrote: Flopping goes against everything you're taught early on in ballin. Flopping on the asphalt courts would get your knees and hands tore up.... kinda makes me wish they played on thick rocky asphalt like ghetto playgrounds.... so if you hit the floor it better be real or you're gonna get gashed up

real talk

also yeah derrick fisher is up there no doubt.

bidwell wrote:

Pedro Sánchez wrote:

pkay wrote: Need only look at this past years NBA finals where the dallas mavericks came back from 16 points down with 5 minutes left. That type of hysteria and excitement involved in that game is something you aren't going to see in soccer. (not saying its superior, just unique to the sport).

I love the NBA and all but that statement is rather ignorant it's only like the equivalent of a comeback from 2 goals down to winning 3-2 at the end of a football game.

it is also harder to shoot a three pointer than a goal. just saying.

lolwut

bidwell wrote:

Pedro Sánchez wrote:

pkay wrote: Need only look at this past years NBA finals where the dallas mavericks came back from 16 points down with 5 minutes left. That type of hysteria and excitement involved in that game is something you aren't going to see in soccer. (not saying its superior, just unique to the sport).

I love the NBA and all but that statement is rather ignorant it's only like the equivalent of a comeback from 2 goals down to winning 3-2 at the end of a football game.

it is also harder to shoot a three pointer than a goal. just saying.

No it's not, if it was, strikers would be scoring more goals than the leading three point scorers in the NBA score 3's.

bidwell wrote:

Pedro Sánchez wrote:

pkay wrote: Need only look at this past years NBA finals where the dallas mavericks came back from 16 points down with 5 minutes left. That type of hysteria and excitement involved in that game is something you aren't going to see in soccer. (not saying its superior, just unique to the sport).

I love the NBA and all but that statement is rather ignorant it's only like the equivalent of a comeback from 2 goals down to winning 3-2 at the end of a football game.

it is also harder to shoot a three pointer than a goal. just saying.

uh what? I dont think you should compare shooting a goal in soccer to a 3pt shot. its pretty obvious the amounts of 3 pt attempts and successful shots made (which are a lot successfully hit) vs how many goals are hit by numbers attempts suggests that goals are much much harder to score.

Pedro Sánchez wrote:

pkay wrote: Need only look at this past years NBA finals where the dallas mavericks came back from 16 points down with 5 minutes left. That type of hysteria and excitement involved in that game is something you aren't going to see in soccer. (not saying its superior, just unique to the sport).

I love the NBA and all but that statement is rather ignorant it's only like the equivalent of a comeback from 2 goals down to winning 3-2 at the end of a football game.

except not. There have only been 3 greater comebacks in playoff history with 5 mins or less left in the shotclock era.

Also considering dallas shut them down and allowed 2 points in 7 mins it's hard to compare that to a game where being shut out for 7 mins happens to both teams multiple times a game.

So before you start calling my argument ignorant, fully play out the argument and all the aspects of what I said.

Like I said neither one is superior just unique to the sport. No sport can really relate to the rally of basketball.... us football cant even relate because they have offense and defense.... basketball is the same 5 people not only rallying and scoring but shutting them down defensively for an extended amount of time. Unique to the sport to that extent

Stopping someone from scoring for 7 mins in soccer = common
Stopping someone from scoring for 7 mins in basketball= uncommon

So even if the point differential of coming back from 16 down is like coming back from 2 or 3 down in soccer... doing it while holding your opponent scoreless as in a basketball rally is a much more rare feat than doing so in soccer.

This is why what dallas did this year was one of the greatest comebacks the sport has ever seen.... thus justifying my original argument.

pkay wrote:

wormcode wrote:That's how I see the NBA.

thats why tihe new NBA collective bargaining agreement is going to fine/suspend players or their teams for being bitches

A lot of people say "it's part of the game" though haha. Still don't think it will be very good. I dunno, too many whistles blown these days as it is.

wormcode wrote:

pkay wrote:

wormcode wrote:That's how I see the NBA.

thats why tihe new NBA collective bargaining agreement is going to fine/suspend players or their teams for being bitches

A lot of people say "it's part of the game" though haha. Still don't think it will be very good. I dunno, too many whistles blown these days as it is.

ah man, it really depends on how long you have watched basketball. if you look at, like the classic beef between the knicks and the pacers back in the 90's, there were serious blows, the fouls were hood.. calls were made but fouls were different back then. so, the flops being used in the last 10 years were somewhat new. flops are not new, but the frequency of them in the game has increased lots in the last 10 years.

esfandyar wrote:

bidwell wrote:

Pedro Sánchez wrote:

pkay wrote: Need only look at this past years NBA finals where the dallas mavericks came back from 16 points down with 5 minutes left. That type of hysteria and excitement involved in that game is something you aren't going to see in soccer. (not saying its superior, just unique to the sport).

I love the NBA and all but that statement is rather ignorant it's only like the equivalent of a comeback from 2 goals down to winning 3-2 at the end of a football game.

it is also harder to shoot a three pointer than a goal. just saying.

uh what? I dont think you should compare shooting a goal in soccer to a 3pt shot. its pretty obvious the amounts of 3 pt attempts and successful shots made (which are a lot successfully hit) vs how many goals are hit by numbers attempts suggests that goals are much much harder to score.

i don't think it's that hard to kick a ball into something as huge as a goal. now having the dexterity and aim to put a ball in the hoop barely bigger than the object your shooting is, would(and does) take skill. yeah, when there's a goalie, defense blah blah blah, it is difficult, but where in my op did i say anything about scoring?

@Pkay
Manchester United Vs Bayern Munich European football finals 1999

wormcode wrote:

pkay wrote:

wormcode wrote:That's how I see the NBA.

thats why tihe new NBA collective bargaining agreement is going to fine/suspend players or their teams for being bitches

A lot of people say "it's part of the game" though haha. Still don't think it will be very good. I dunno, too many whistles blown these days as it is.

i think it's going to be an after the game review type thing.... where they're review shit... say "Manu you flopped, fined $25k" and once that shit adds up they'll knock it the fuck off

Pedro Sánchez wrote:@Pkay
Manchester United Vs Bayern Munich European football finals 1999

you're not understanding that I'm stating that comparing the two is pointless

comparing a comeback in football with a comeback in basketball is insanely different due to the 'rally' aspect of basketball.

read my post earlier... neither superior just unique.


a 2 point comeback in football has 2 HUGE comeback moments .... 2 huge explosions of emotion filled with tense sustained anticipation

basketball is a bunch of smaller gradually building explosions..... Dallas scores.... dallas defendes.... dallas scores... dallas gets a steal... dallas scores.... the lead trickles away the momentum builds.

while both are entertaining the second one relates more to american sports and what they dig.

pkay wrote:

Pedro Sánchez wrote:@Pkay
Manchester United Vs Bayern Munich European football finals 1999

you're not understanding that I'm stating that comparing the two is pointless

comparing a comeback in football with a comeback in basketball is insanely different due to the 'rally' aspect of basketball.

read my post earlier... neither superior just unique.

But they can both provide the same amount of hysteria, to fans and players, I don't think the way the game is played makes a difference, late game tension is late game tension, regardless of how fast the game is.

bidwell wrote:

esfandyar wrote:

bidwell wrote:

Pedro Sánchez wrote:

pkay wrote: Need only look at this past years NBA finals where the dallas mavericks came back from 16 points down with 5 minutes left. That type of hysteria and excitement involved in that game is something you aren't going to see in soccer. (not saying its superior, just unique to the sport).

I love the NBA and all but that statement is rather ignorant it's only like the equivalent of a comeback from 2 goals down to winning 3-2 at the end of a football game.

it is also harder to shoot a three pointer than a goal. just saying.

uh what? I dont think you should compare shooting a goal in soccer to a 3pt shot. its pretty obvious the amounts of 3 pt attempts and successful shots made (which are a lot successfully hit) vs how many goals are hit by numbers attempts suggests that goals are much much harder to score.

i don't think it's that hard to kick a ball into something as huge as a goal. now having the dexterity and aim to put a ball in the hoop barely bigger than the object your shooting is, would(and does) take skill. yeah, when there's a goalie, defense blah blah blah, it is difficult, but where in my op did i say anything about scoring?

ok whatever. if you are saying its harder to hit a 3 point shot vs kicking a ball into a goal from the same distance with no one guarding you or in the way or a goalie attempting to block you then yes you are right.

Pedro Sánchez wrote:

pkay wrote:

Pedro Sánchez wrote:@Pkay
Manchester United Vs Bayern Munich European football finals 1999

you're not understanding that I'm stating that comparing the two is pointless

comparing a comeback in football with a comeback in basketball is insanely different due to the 'rally' aspect of basketball.

read my post earlier... neither superior just unique.

But they can both provide the same amount of hysteria, to fans and players, I don't think the way the game is played makes a difference, late game tension is late game tension, regardless of how fast the game is.

if that were true then excitement would be shared in the US for soccer... it is not.

Hockey, which shares a lot of the same aspects as soccer in its scoring and pace, suffered the same issues sustaining in the US market. When they added in their shootout rules their popularity showed a huge jump as it insured that if the game did not naturally provide an arc, one would be created at the end.

you seem to be stuck with thinking my argument somehow means one is superior which is not what I'm saying. Simply identifying why one works in the american audience and one does not..... a subject that is pretty blatantly obvious in its results

pkay wrote:

Lectric wrote:

but this is how most of us view americans so it really doesnt matter.

That's cool... we're talking about the fundamentals of the sports, not the people residing in certain countries.

Tho kinda funny you're getting mad and possessive about a sport your country isnt very good at

show me where i got mad and possessive.

the fact of the matter is that in america the culture has made things so in order to be entertaining they have to be in your face, loud, super stimulating and exaggerated. Its because americans always want more and more and cant sit and be patient to watch a football game. They want to see a point be scored every 20 seconds so they dont get bored and their 3 second attention span doesnt run out. This can be seen with american dubstep vs uk style dubstep, american sports vs european sports, the american "the office" vs the UK one. everything in america has to be bloated and overdone.