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tomre wrote:Post-Dubstep, so after Dubstep.

Thisone could also be considered then ?



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seckle wrote:The name is a marketing agenda. Its like someone telling mcdonalds, that hamburgers are over.

I almost want to say that the name has been thrown out there to separate dubstep artists like Mount Kimbie, James Blake, Sepalcure and Joy O whom have all gone outside of the 140bpm box and have done even more experimental things from those like Skrillex, DatsiK, Excision and those particular guys.

While at the same time, these artists which are labeled as 'Post-Dubstep' per se, still have the sort of feel of dubstep yet branches away in directions that also separate them from the likes of say.. Pinch, Skream, Distance, Emalkay and Kromestar, among others.

Its really not about Dubstep being in the past really. Its just a label of its evolution, I honestly don't understand the hate that has surrounded the term "Post-Dubstep"

Dubstep was always about doing something a bit different really. Post-dubstep implies that it's a formula. I can understand that guys are doing stuff that's far removed from dubstep (ie different tempos and what ever) and I can see why it doesn't really fit just as dubstep and yeah it makes sense to call it something different then but inventing a title like "post-dubstep" doesn't actually tell you anything about what it's going to be like. It just kind of further enforces ideas of formulas and rules into dubstep. Which isn't a good thing to have with any music.

Genres should be for making it easier to describe music you're into. Not just for putting everything in a little box. Post-dubstep doesn't help anything. It's vague as fuck but also kind of restrictive.

wolf89 wrote:Dubstep was always about doing something a bit different really. Post-dubstep implies that it's a formula. I can understand that guys are doing stuff that's far removed from dubstep (ie different tempos and what ever) and I can see why it doesn't really fit just as dubstep and yeah it makes sense to call it something different then but inventing a title like "post-dubstep" doesn't actually tell you anything about what it's going to be like. It just kind of further enforces ideas of formulas and rules into dubstep. Which isn't a good thing to have with any music.

Genres should be for making it easier to describe music you're into. Not just for putting everything in a little box. Post-dubstep doesn't help anything. It's vague as fuck but also kind of restrictive.

Well, being an evolution of Dubstep I don't think it would be completely ridiculous to call it Post-Dubstep. However, I do understand where your coming from, but I think we can both agree that the artists whom are labeled as Post-Dubstep definitely aren't your average/standard dubstep. I don't necessarily find it as a limiting thing to call it Post-Dubstep, I mean like others have brought up Post-Rock, its not like its necessarily formulating anything. I consider Post-Rock a good example because there are many bands with insane variety. Some use elements of electronic music in their rock, some have pieces of music that span more than 30minutes, some prefer more classical music styles, others have samples from movies or speeches, on occasion there are lyrics, and some are musicians creating tunes by recording 6 tracks of strictly guitar and using them together in songs, and there are many many different variations of what Post-Rock artists/musicians do. All are considered Post-Rock, and as far as I see there is no real formula for that genre, it simply keeps a couple elements from the original genre, Rock. So I see Post-Dubstep the same way. Elements closer to dubstep than any other genre, yet stepping out of the bounds of dubstep, which there are a few boundaries to dubstep, whether one wants to admit it or not.

Post-rock has become so boring though. there's a handful of bands that are interesting

then just a shitload doing bad generic rip offs of the most popular.

It seems like the term is just coming into use because a load of total shite has appeared and basically taken the name dubstep for itself. I'm not surprised people are stretching to try and make a new term as quickly as possible, to avoid being lumped in with the awful wobble stuff. That is the formula thats being moved away from.. as far away as possible.

Nevertheless I feel like geniunely there are tons of artists experimenting and enough variation and new sounds to at least class this as a different era that we've moved into.

infinity wrote:It seems like the term is just coming into use because a load of total shite has appeared and basically taken the name dubstep for itself. I'm not surprised people are stretching to try and make a new term as quickly as possible, to avoid being lumped in with the awful wobble stuff. That is the formula thats being moved away from.. as far away as possible.

Nevertheless I feel like geniunely there are tons of artists experimenting and enough variation and new sounds to at least class this as a different era that we've moved into.

My point exactly.

Dosva wrote:

infinity wrote:
Nevertheless I feel like geniunely there are tons of artists experimenting and enough variation and new sounds to at least class this as a different era that we've moved into.

My point exactly.

Agreed.

Never forget the mistakes made with jungle and drum and bass. Too many sub genre's and everything turns into camps, cliques, bullshit attitude, and "you don't play liquid jungle, so you can't get booked on my neuro jungle night.." vibes. Why can't people see these mistakes clearly? Part of the success of this genre worldwide now, is that it is hard to swallow, and digest. It is confusing, and requires research. This is only a good thing in the days of music instantly being catagorized, tagged, labeled and boxed inside more boxes for internet consumption. In the days of search engines theres far greater cultural power to movements like dubstep, when they're harder to understand and define.

As I said earlier, you can pretty much guarantee that someone using the term in the context of promotion is just on it for marketing. You don't get many jazz musicians trying to sub-genre jazz or declare it over, just because they want to push the envelope. Jazz is a good example in comparison to dubstep, as both are largely instrumental, and constantly encourage experimentation.

about 6 years ago, nas declared that hiphop is dead for some badly thought out marketing hype, and now years later it looks like a ridiculous hype stunt. it'll never die....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hip_Hop_Is_Dead

a really potent virus will always mutate, and mutate, but its traceable back to the same strain, and the symptoms might change slightly, but the infection continues....

seckle wrote:Never forget the mistakes made with jungle and drum and bass. Too many sub genre's and everything turns into camps, cliques, bullshit attitude, and "you don't play liquid jungle, so you can't get booked on my neuro jungle night.." vibes. Why can't people see these mistakes clearly? Part of the success of this genre worldwide now, is that it is hard to swallow, and digest. It is confusing, and requires research. This is only a good thing in the days of music instantly being catagorized, tagged, labeled and boxed inside more boxes for internet consumption. In the days of search engines theres far greater cultural power to movements like dubstep, when they're harder to understand and define.

Dubstep has always had a rabidly paranoid terror of labelling stuff as a subgenre even when there are blatantly a whole bunch of artists producing almost identical sounding tunes which get played at the same nights by the same DJs. And the upshot hasn't been a massive win for diversity, it's just that a lot of people think that the most popular of those styles is the entirety of dubstep and you get people being asked to 'play some dubstep' if they play anything that doesn't sound like Nero...

If jungle had done the same thing, it wouldn't be stuck in some eternal 1994 of endless diversity and innovation, it'd probably have exactly the same subgenres but rather than call jumpup jumpup, people would just think that jumpup was the whole scene and anything else that didn't sound like jumpup "wasn't jungle".

As for post dubstep - marketing hype, yeah, I head the Hessle guys went to Saatchi and Saatchi to come up with that one. It's a fairly silly name but no sillier than anything else, and there's certainly a shitload of diverse but loosely dubstep related stuff around at the moment and if you don't want fliers to read like War and Peace then someone's going to have to call it something.

I don't know why you think it's saying that dubstep's gone away, since it manifestly hasn't. Noone involved in post rock is denying the existence of rock...

And if it's traceable back to the same strain, why say 'dubstep' and not 'garage'? Or 'hardcore', or 'house' if you want. Maybe if all fliers just said 'house' on them, so you didn't know whether you'd be getting wobbly dubstep, oldskool jungle, scouse house or avante-garde danish glitch techno then we could all be free from marketing bullshit.

people love to make up new words for stuff thats been around for almost a decade now, oh well!

i just think it's funny that a lot of the stuff that is labeled as "post" dubstep sounds a lot more like "pre" or "original" dubstep imo

we finally get back to swing and experimentation and now it's called something else whatever, i suppose it's good for people who think dubstep stated out with halftime beats and wobbles, i dunno

fractal wrote:people love to make up new words for stuff thats been around for almost a decade now, oh well!

i just think it's funny that a lot of the stuff that is labeled as "post" dubstep sounds a lot more like "pre" or "original" dubstep imo

we finally get back to swing and experimentation and now it's called something else whatever, i suppose it's good for people who think dubstep stated out with halftime beats and wobbles, i dunno

interesting point and right on the money.

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Lectric wrote:yeah the name is kinda stupid. dubstep is like 8 years old at the most basically.

I know what you mean, but I reckon personally all that it really means is that 'post-dubstep' came out after the original idea of dubstep. It doesn't mean dubstep is over, it just means this new off-shoot came after. Yes OK it could easily just be one of the many faces of dubstep, except like it or not, a certain sound of dubstep has come to 'mean dubstep' in the media. It will happen to post-dubstep too. If anything the word itself is simply away of defining the sound next to, but aside from, dubstep. If it helps you out, just ignore the unfortunately misleading (and poncey) connotations that 'post' brings. It is unfortunately more helpful than annoying (unless you let it be) calling it this on the most part as it helps people instantly understand where its coming from. If anything all the 'Rusko/Srillex/Sythesizers/Freddie Star/Ruined Dubstep crew should be thankful that so much deeper music still pertaining to the 'original' dubstep ethos is coming out, but I've got a funny feeling this lot are the same lot bitching about the petit detail of a single word when they could be embracing and supporting decent music, linguistic warts and all..

This is an outrage I can't even valence the name post dubstep

Does it come with a postage stamp and can I mail it?

U cannmail it but it will all be sent to tend DNA replace and that's ethe whole problem with podeon holing this shut we can't be having it gijgn ink the same place or it's gonna be just like the fucking dungeon sound thread where we got cookie cutter copy cats making shut with no real originality just the same old shit and that's the hole dillems we faced sit ya herd mehh

the legend, zed on this subject....

Zed Bias on his twitter wrote: What the fuck is 'post dubstep' by the way?

http://twitter.com/#!/Zed_Bias/status/40350276716208129

Zed Bias on his twitter wrote: If you see me out and you want to present me with some of ur music, don't tell me you make Post Dubstep if you wanna be taken seriously!

http://twitter.com/#!/Zed_Bias/status/40352079369355264