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wub wrote:

rolltide629 wrote:Sorry if I come across as an asshole myself lol

No worries mate


I do stand by my original thread closure though - in your own words;

rolltide629 wrote:i knew when i posted this that it had prolly been discussed somewhere on the site but when i searched synths i got 5700 results so i figured i would make a new post to save myself from having to dig through 5000 results.

Now, from my point of view, I take this as an admission of laziness on your part - "The information is there, but I can't be arsed to look for it".

99 times out of 100 when I close a thread because it's a duplicate question, I will provide links/URLs to both onsite and off site locations where the answer can be found. Yeah, this one slipped the net. My bad.

If you'd like to discuss this further via PM, please feel free to give me a shout

WUB to you i am very sorry i went back several posts ago and saw where you helped me out on a thread so i am truly sorry for that. It does seem very lazy i agree but i also thought that by starting a new thread on the topic NEW synths would be mentioned. I searched for it and got like 5000 results and was like fuck that its gonna take me forever to find it in there.

I honestly don't really care if I was rude; you called us out so I come and say what I think about the matter.


All I am saying is don't paint the streets with your own dirt; theres various places you can get information about non-legit versions of software, just not here.Most members will tell you me, wub and pete all look after this part of the forum fairly well; give insane amounts of help to 95% of people and have cleaned it up over the last year or so.

If you feel something what wrongfully locked or you needed more information; there is a PM button and anything can be taken to PM's and I know myself and wub are not grudging people, you can call us a tnuc in one thread and we'll post you links to help in another.

Also; its not about how the site looks or about advertising, thats just one reason; its about the reputation and DSF:production has a good reputation for not helping people who are using cracked software and condemning the use of it and we'd like to keep that, do you really want Dubstep's main hub of community to be known as pirating wankers who don't care about independent industry? This isn't Grime; we care about that stuff (well, most people).


And i'm sure we've all been poor before and can't buy what we want but do you really wanna admit that? I know I sure don't!

rolltide629 wrote:Hey einstein your analogy to soccer balls doesnt quite fit because a soccer ball is what 30 bucks? Ableton live costs like 500+, massive is $199, Native instruments Komplete 8 is $1000+. There is a slight difference in price between a soccer ball and a midi controller. Also, i am 20 years old and i am a very broke college student who doesnt have much support from the family. i dont get much money for FOOD so its kinda hard to imagine paying hundreds of dollars for something i may never be any good at. Oh and if i did "make" it in the industry that i stole from....i would gladly pay it back.

But why do you have to use the expensive software? I mean, I'd like to own a Porsche one day, but I can't afford to buy one. I'm not going to go out and rob a Porsche from a dealership (even though I do drive past one everyday ), so instead I drive my shitty french piece of shit car that's done nearly 92k and breaks down on average once every 5 months and keep saving so that one day, I might be able to afford a Porsche.

The same logic applies to software. If you can't afford it, use the stuff that's cheaper/free.

Can't afford a DAW? Use Reaper, it's free.
Can't afford Massive? Use TAL-Noisemaker, it's free.
Can't afford Kontakt? Use a freeware equivalent like Highlife.

rolltide629 wrote:WUB to you i am very sorry i went back several posts ago and saw where you helped me out on a thread so i am truly sorry for that. It does seem very lazy i agree but i also thought that by starting a new thread on the topic NEW synths would be mentioned. I searched for it and got like 5000 results and was like fuck that its gonna take me forever to find it in there.

Ok if you want to refine your search a bit more, I'd suggest using the Advanced Search Function in the top right;

• Type in 'synth' as your search criteria - you get 20860 matches. Fair enough, that's a lot of shit, and tbh I wouldn't want to trawl through all of it myself. So lets look at refining it.
• With search criteria 'synth', set search options to only search in the Production sub forum - 15043 matches. Still a fair few, so...
• Search criteria 'synth', Production sub forum only, Topic Titles Only - 289 matches. So basically 289 threads that have the word 'synth' in their title. Bit more manageable IMO. Even so...
• Search criteria 'free synth', Production sub forum only, Topic Titles Only - 14 matches. BOO YEAH! That's a number we can all grab by the testicles and swing round our heads!

Might be what you're looking for, might not. But if you vary the search criteria as above, you can filter out a lot of the crap/duplicate results by just messing with the parameters.


Hope that helps

wub wrote:

• Type in 'synth' as your search criteria - you get 20860 matches. Fair enough, that's a lot of shit, and tbh I wouldn't want to trawl through all of it myself. So lets look at refining it.
• With search criteria 'synth', set search options to only search in the Production sub forum - 15043 matches. Still a fair few, so...
• Search criteria 'synth', Production sub forum only, Topic Titles Only - 289 matches. So basically 289 threads that have the word 'synth' in their title. Bit more manageable IMO. Even so...
• Search criteria 'free synth', Production sub forum only, Topic Titles Only - 14 matches. BOO YEAH! That's a number we can all grab by the testicles and swing round our heads!

You do amaze me sometimes wub.

fair enough legend4ry...i already apologized to wub on here and in a pm cause i was completely wrong there. God it just seems like on here to find one answer you have to deal with 100 comments about how stupid you are..i apologize though

Speaking with my hand on my heart; there isn't much to learn about music - sure you can learn what things do and how to make sounds but thats not helping you make music; thats helping you figure out what to do with your music.

The best thing you can do is write, write again and write some more; if you feel like something is stopping you from moving further try and learn how to do it/over come it and move on...

If you notice most of the threads here are competitions, discussions and news/banter about software. That should get you some idea of how most things you can find out yourself; sure the production bible can help you when you're starting out and its worth bookmarking for reference..

http://www.dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=159713

But in the true sense ; by the time you've asked a question on here, waited for a response and then tried it out you could of worked it out yourself.


Join in with the banter and become part of the community and you'll find out little tips along the way; thats the best way to learn, find contacts and enjoy being part of something bigger than just a few minutes of sound.




P.s - no need to apologize; I ain't your mum or dad telling you of haha!

About alternative software to things you would normally have to pirate, try a website called Osalt.

http://Www.osalt.com

Open source alternatives to a ton of different programs.

-T

legend4ry wrote:Join in with the banter and become part of the community and you'll find out little tips along the way; thats the best way to learn, find contacts and enjoy being part of something bigger than just a few minutes of sound.

Couldn't agree more.

Also, if you'd like a few more bookmarks;

Resampling - http://www.dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.p ... 4#p2206342
Bass - http://www.dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.p ... 6#p2204163
Samples - http://www.dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.p ... 8#p2214327
Writers Block/Inspiration - http://www.dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=176281

Not to mention the Sound Design and 'other' bass threads that are Stickied at the top of the forum

ephyks wrote: IMO mass piracy is largely to blame in some ways for the torrents (pun intended) of shit music released the last few years. Quality control has really gone downhill, because if you have nothing invested... what's the point of making anything new or creative, or taking it seriously? It's cookie cutter music business.
I'm not saying everyone who uses cracks makes shit music, or doesn't take it seriously. I mean the people who like to flood youtube and soundcloud and spam forums with their latest 2 minute attempts. It's so saturated these days.

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Off topic, but are you saying that people only have the right to make music if it's good? I think the consumers and the labels are the ones to blame for shit releases. There always have and always will be wannabe rock stars writing shitty songs in their room on cheap gear, but it's up to the labels to make sure they stay in their room unless they're good. They exist for the musicians, not the other way around.

the thing is for every label that does things proper with quality control, mastering and such there are about 20 other ones who will release anything, jump on whatever the latest bandwagon and don't get there stuff mastered etc
that and there are plenty of artists who promote themselves more than they work on improving their production

deadly habit wrote:the thing is for every label that does things proper with quality control, mastering and such there are about 20 other ones who will release anything, jump on whatever the latest bandwagon and don't get there stuff mastered etc
that and there are plenty of artists who promote themselves more than they work on improving their production

And it's the consumers who should be smart enough to not support any of that. Unfortunately that's not always happening though

hudson wrote:

deadly habit wrote:the thing is for every label that does things proper with quality control, mastering and such there are about 20 other ones who will release anything, jump on whatever the latest bandwagon and don't get there stuff mastered etc
that and there are plenty of artists who promote themselves more than they work on improving their production

And it's the consumers who should be smart enough to not support any of that. Unfortunately that's not always happening though

@hudson, unfortunately, the consumer is just a consumer and doesn't really know what the difference between a mastered track and an unmastered track is...they mostly listen to whats popular and don't care about production quality.

and LOL Deadly!

jrisreal wrote:@hudson, unfortunately, the consumer is just a consumer and doesn't really know what the difference between a mastered track and an unmastered track is...they mostly listen to whats popular and don't care about production quality.

and LOL Deadly!

It's music though, and judging the quality of a song by the quality of the recording or mix is kinda missing the point. Music is the music, not the polish.
People should be allowed to listen to what they like, and it makes sense that lots of people like popular music. It's made to be popular.

hudson wrote:

wormcode wrote: IMO mass piracy is largely to blame in some ways for the torrents (pun intended) of shit music released the last few years. Quality control has really gone downhill, because if you have nothing invested... what's the point of making anything new or creative, or taking it seriously? It's cookie cutter music business.
I'm not saying everyone who uses cracks makes shit music, or doesn't take it seriously. I mean the people who like to flood youtube and soundcloud and spam forums with their latest 2 minute attempts. It's so saturated these days.

Off topic, but are you saying that people only have the right to make music if it's good? I think the consumers and the labels are the ones to blame for shit releases. There always have and always will be wannabe rock stars writing shitty songs in their room on cheap gear, but it's up to the labels to make sure they stay in their room unless they're good. They exist for the musicians, not the other way around.

I wrote that btw, don't blame ephyks (you misquoted)

No, but surely it's good to have some humility and personal quality control IMO. Why upload their first tune everywhere? I don't see the point in that, getting feedback sure, but not spamming it. Sorry, by "released" I didn't necessarily mean released on a label. Most of the people are bypassing labels. I meant people spamming their music everywhere. Yeah, I can ignore it easily enough, it was just an observation. Also, people tend to ignore and shitlist people that do that. Over on The Grid right now there's some arrogant guy posting up a new WIP every day and he's pretty much hated now. Now take into consideration big label heads and how much they are spammed. Reminds me of DFRT's article: http://www.sittingovation.com/tutorials ... etiquette/

I didn't intend for it to sound elitist or that only certain people should be allowed to make anything (music or not), I think it's great it's so easy these days for people to express themselves musically, but it can be a double edged sword really.

wormcode wrote:

hudson wrote:

wormcode wrote: IMO mass piracy is largely to blame in some ways for the torrents (pun intended) of shit music released the last few years. Quality control has really gone downhill, because if you have nothing invested... what's the point of making anything new or creative, or taking it seriously? It's cookie cutter music business.
I'm not saying everyone who uses cracks makes shit music, or doesn't take it seriously. I mean the people who like to flood youtube and soundcloud and spam forums with their latest 2 minute attempts. It's so saturated these days.

Off topic, but are you saying that people only have the right to make music if it's good? I think the consumers and the labels are the ones to blame for shit releases. There always have and always will be wannabe rock stars writing shitty songs in their room on cheap gear, but it's up to the labels to make sure they stay in their room unless they're good. They exist for the musicians, not the other way around.

I wrote that btw, don't blame ephyks (you misquoted)

No, but surely it's good to have some humility and personal quality control IMO. Why upload their first tune everywhere? I don't see the point in that, getting feedback sure, but not spamming it. Sorry, by "released" I didn't necessarily mean released on a label. Most of the people are bypassing labels. I meant people spamming their music everywhere. Yeah, I can ignore it easily enough, it was just an observation. Also, people tend to ignore and shitlist people that do that. Over on The Grid right now there's some arrogant guy posting up a new WIP every day and he's pretty much hated now. Now take into consideration big label heads and how much they are spammed. Reminds me of DFRT's article: http://www.sittingovation.com/tutorials ... etiquette/

I didn't intend for it to sound elitist or that only certain people should be allowed to make anything (music or not), I think it's great it's so easy these days for people to express themselves musically, but it can be a double edged sword really.

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Eh, I think noobs should be allowed to spam their music if they want to (as long as they do it in the right places ) If people like it, it's encouragement to keep going, if they don't, only the one's who really want to make music will continue. I think it's a decent filter, the one's who just want to be famous or impress people will give when those things don't happen right away.

hudson wrote:

jrisreal wrote:@hudson, unfortunately, the consumer is just a consumer and doesn't really know what the difference between a mastered track and an unmastered track is...they mostly listen to whats popular and don't care about production quality.

and LOL Deadly!

It's music though, and judging the quality of a song by the quality of the recording or mix is kinda missing the point. Music is the music, not the polish.
People should be allowed to listen to what they like, and it makes sense that lots of people like popular music. It's made to be popular.

thats very true. In that regard, popular music doesn't get popular because of their musical qualities, usually. In dubstep, popular music gets popular because it sounds cool with all the robot fx and whatnot while most of the genious, quality music is held back and left in the shaddows. But you're right, we don't have any right to tell somebody what to put on their iPod.

jrisreal wrote:

hudson wrote:

jrisreal wrote:@hudson, unfortunately, the consumer is just a consumer and doesn't really know what the difference between a mastered track and an unmastered track is...they mostly listen to whats popular and don't care about production quality.

and LOL Deadly!

It's music though, and judging the quality of a song by the quality of the recording or mix is kinda missing the point. Music is the music, not the polish.
People should be allowed to listen to what they like, and it makes sense that lots of people like popular music. It's made to be popular.

thats very true. In that regard, popular music doesn't get popular because of their musical qualities, usually. In dubstep, popular music gets popular because it sounds cool with all the robot fx and whatnot while most of the genious, quality music is held back and left in the shaddows. But you're right, we don't have any right to tell somebody what to put on their iPod.

Thats not exactly true.



James Blake, Ramadanman, Burial..

They don't make robot-fx music and are insanely successful, Ramadanman has some of the biggest names in music rating him!


Success isn't always packing out a warehouse.

"Critically acclaimed" is more what I am aiming for..

jrisreal wrote: In that regard, popular music doesn't get popular because of their musical qualities, usually. In dubstep, popular music gets popular because it sounds cool with all the robot fx and whatnot while most of the genious, quality music is held back and left in the shaddows. But you're right, we don't have any right to tell somebody what to put on their iPod.

Lots of people only listen to music that makes them feel good, genius music makes you think, which doesn't feel good on the dance floor

legend4ry wrote:

jrisreal wrote:

hudson wrote:

jrisreal wrote:@hudson, unfortunately, the consumer is just a consumer and doesn't really know what the difference between a mastered track and an unmastered track is...they mostly listen to whats popular and don't care about production quality.

and LOL Deadly!

It's music though, and judging the quality of a song by the quality of the recording or mix is kinda missing the point. Music is the music, not the polish.
People should be allowed to listen to what they like, and it makes sense that lots of people like popular music. It's made to be popular.

thats very true. In that regard, popular music doesn't get popular because of their musical qualities, usually. In dubstep, popular music gets popular because it sounds cool with all the robot fx and whatnot while most of the genious, quality music is held back and left in the shaddows. But you're right, we don't have any right to tell somebody what to put on their iPod.

Thats not exactly true.



James Blake, Ramadanman, Burial..

They don't make robot-fx music and are insanely successful, Ramadanman has some of the biggest names in music rating him!


Success isn't always packing out a warehouse.

"Critically acclaimed" is more what I am aiming for..

Agreed. Was just saying usually, not always. I mean listen to the garbage rap on the radio. Why does that get popular? I have no idea...its pretty horrible IMO and requires almost 0 creativity, just a bunch of fools with no flow, talkin about how they think theyre so great.