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Pedro Sánchez wrote:

AJGR wrote:

Pedro Sánchez wrote:This attitude is recent and only really resides on this forum.

it's being going on since the beginning of sample CD's and it resides on every music production forum.

I don't think Dubstep was around at the beginning of sample CD's mate.

i'm talking about the bigger picture, not just dubstep. it's nothing new, people have been hating on sample CD's for years.

Mad EP wrote:There are two reasons people diss sample cds...

either

1) they have a problem with sampling full-stop.

2) are ok with sampling, but feel people should dig for their own samples.

3) some people think sample CD's are responsible for so much music sounding the same.

There's a difference between sampling and using sample CDs. That's not sampling, it's using someone else's samples/sounds. It doesn't bother me though, as I've said before I like many big artists' tunes that I know for a fact were built 95-100% from a commercial sample CD. It only bothers me when said sample CD is being sold with stolen/illegal samples on it. Not talking amens, I mean sounds stolen from other sample CDs or websites etc. Sometimes it's too shady.

Also, you can't look at youtube comments and expect to see anything other than bullshit, so I wouldn't worry about what people are saying on there at all. Btw this disables youtube comments and makes youtube so much better in many ways: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/deta ... hniapiiifn

Yeah I've bought sample CDs before, and most of the sounds are shit. As OP stated, drums are about the only thing I've ever found useful on them. Someone else might find the melodies and processed sounds useful, great. I just find them to be filler, it's just not inspiring to me. The best sample CDs I've bought were multisamples. The "genre sample CDs" aren't very good from what I've used/heard but they seem to just be quick cash makers anyway as when a new genre or particular style becomes popular, you'll see a bunch of new packs geared towards that for a while.

Morals of Sampling thread http://www.dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=212185

AJGR wrote:

Mad EP wrote:There are two reasons people diss sample cds...

either

1) they have a problem with sampling full-stop.

2) are ok with sampling, but feel people should dig for their own samples.

3) some people think sample CD's are responsible for so much music sounding the same.

That depends on how you're using them though. The Amen break is the founding loop of Jungle and Hip Hop, the samples used are the same on a number of tracks but the arrangement, and layered with other samples, makes them sound different. That single loop didn't stop Jungle or Hip Hop.

A good sampler can turn one sample into another.

The question that I asked earlier is if someone is not using a sample CD, or a ripped sample, to base their drums of, and they don't use drum synthesis or own drum equipment then what are they using? There are not many other avenues to go down to create drums aside from samples, drum machines or drum kits to my knowledge.

-[2]DAY_- wrote:man, i wish i had an 808. These sample packs are great, but that would be cool

To clarify, I don't own a physical 808, just D16 Groups 808 emulator. I'd love to own one eventually but it'd just be something I'd like to own for it's historical value rather than necessity.

I'd really recommend looking into D16 Groups line. Samples just don't cut it.

Heartless wrote:

-[2]DAY_- wrote:man, i wish i had an 808. These sample packs are great, but that would be cool

To clarify, I don't own a physical 808, just D16 Groups 808 emulator. I'd love to own one eventually but it'd just be something I'd like to own for it's historical value rather than necessity.

I'd really recommend looking into D16 Groups line. Samples just don't cut it.

Goldbaby's samples cut it very well :p

Heartless wrote:I'd really recommend looking into D16 Groups line. Samples just don't cut it.

Just checked out the website. Their VST's look pretty decent actually. I'm going to install those drum machine demos.

wormcode wrote:

Heartless wrote:

-[2]DAY_- wrote:man, i wish i had an 808. These sample packs are great, but that would be cool

To clarify, I don't own a physical 808, just D16 Groups 808 emulator. I'd love to own one eventually but it'd just be something I'd like to own for it's historical value rather than necessity.

I'd really recommend looking into D16 Groups line. Samples just don't cut it.

Goldbaby's samples cut it very well :p

Well sure, it just depends on what you need. Adjusting the pitch sweep, decay, and tone of a bass drum is a must have for me.

Heartless wrote:

wormcode wrote:

Heartless wrote:

-[2]DAY_- wrote:man, i wish i had an 808. These sample packs are great, but that would be cool

To clarify, I don't own a physical 808, just D16 Groups 808 emulator. I'd love to own one eventually but it'd just be something I'd like to own for it's historical value rather than necessity.

I'd really recommend looking into D16 Groups line. Samples just don't cut it.

Goldbaby's samples cut it very well :p

Well sure, it just depends on what you need. Adjusting the pitch sweep, decay, and tone of a bass drum is a must have for me.

Yeah that's what I meant about multisamples being the best as they include stuff like that, put into a good sampler and you're set. Of course more control is always better.
D16 do make some of the best plugins around, no joke.

wormcode wrote:D16 do make some of the best plugins around, no joke.

I'm loving their plugins, at least the demos anyway. I really want to purchase but I've spent enough this month already. To much to learn with my current hardware without throwing more learning into the mix.

The issue with sample CDs, from what I've seen, is that some producers (usually new ones, but not exclusively) will torrent a copy of Vengeance Club Sounds Vol 47. or whatever, and then lift the kicks/snares/melodies/bass notes/sirens/spinbacks/voice of Jah going 'drrrrrrreeeeeeeeeaaaaadddddd', arrange them in their grid and BANG they have a tune. That's what pisses people off.

Using samples frees up the time that they would dedicate to (for example) spending hours creating their own kick sample. I need a kick drum - ah, wicked, here's a good kick drum to use. Now I can dedicate my time to making the tune itself interesting, being creative, doing some whacked out crazy shit, instead of wasting my time tweaking and EQing my snare sample so it's just that little bit inpercievably different to how it was when I had the compressor a fraction to the right.

I mean shit, I'd love to have one of them fancy drum synth like a Dave Smith Tempest or a MAD ADX1, and the time, to bash out my own unique drum selections that were just the way I wanted them, special sounds just for little old me with the attack and WHOOMPFH on the kick just as I wanted it and the TSK TSK TSK of the hats so piercing it would crack my wisdom teeth. But it's not going to happen. Contrary to popular belief, I am only human and time and money are a factor for me.

So what then - do I sit and whine about not having drum machines? Fuck no! I get myself a couple of drum sample CDs. Goldbaby usually, or the aforementioned sample CD whose name I won't give away as the drums are so amazing and I like to keep some things close to my chest, okay? But yeah, I get my sample CDs/packs and HEY FUCKING PRESTO I have my drums. Sweet. Oh, I like this kick, yeah this is nice. This kick sits nicely under the carefully crafted synth modulating synth loop with freaky ass 70s guitar snippet filtered through it that I spent the last 30mins working on, this kick will work.

Right, kick sorted, onto the next element of the tune. Basically, the drums mean dick. I've said before I never start a track with drums. Never. No point. If I start with drums, I always feel that I'm limited to building the track around the drums. Whereas if I start with the aforementioned carefully crafted synth modulating synth loop with freaky ass 70s guitar snippet filtered through it, now that to me is interesting. Get that working, and construct the drums around it. And when it comes to the drums, I have enough stock samples that I now and trust to work, so I can browse through my favourite folder and see what works and what I like for this project.

At the end of the day, if the tune turns out like how I want it to, are people going to say "Wow, that's tune with the individually crafted kick sample, awesome!" or are they going to go "Wow, that's that tune with the carefully crafted synth modulating synth loop with freaky ass 70s guitar snippet filtered through it, FUCKING AYE LETS CRASH THE DJ BOOTH AND THREATEN TO SLASH THE MOTHERFUCKERS THROAT IF HE DOESN'T DO A REWIND!" ?

You see my point, hopefully.

tl;dr?


Samples shouldn't make people lazy; samples should make people more creative as they free up your time for the cool stuff.

But also,

Lol Wub good post. I don't see why people get all up in arms about it still though, I mean, any tune made using entirely samples from a CD, is usually shite.

Sparxy wrote:Lol Wub good post. I don't see why people get all up in arms about it still though, I mean, any tune made using entirely samples from a CD, is usually shite.

It shouldn`t have to be shite.
It`s all dependent on the individual.
I get the argument but it`s not always so cut n dry.

nah man I agree, hence why I put usually shite
And like Wub said, we're talking about a person who picks up a Vengeance pack and constructs an entire tune using only the pack. Not using samples in general

what wub said.

/thread.

wub wrote:I've bought several sample CDs, and I love them. There is one in particular (not saying which one obv.) which has featured in maybe 15 out of my last 20 projects? Good samples are where you find them, at the end of the day.

wub where can i hear your tunes?

Codox wrote:

wub wrote:I've bought several sample CDs, and I love them. There is one in particular (not saying which one obv.) which has featured in maybe 15 out of my last 20 projects? Good samples are where you find them, at the end of the day.

wub where can i hear your tunes?

http://soundcloud.com/worldwidewub


Not a whole lot on there though, my quality control is ridiculously high


Oh, and I won the last sample pack contest here - http://www.dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=201928 (track called Solstice, needs a further mixdown session on my part before it goes on my Soundcloud page)

Is that mini mix composed of your own tracks? Or are any of your tracks in there?

wub wrote:

Codox wrote:

wub wrote:I've bought several sample CDs, and I love them. There is one in particular (not saying which one obv.) which has featured in maybe 15 out of my last 20 projects? Good samples are where you find them, at the end of the day.

wub where can i hear your tunes?

http://soundcloud.com/worldwidewub


Not a whole lot on there though, my quality control is ridiculously high


Oh, and I won the last sample pack contest here - http://www.dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=201928 (track called Solstice, needs a further mixdown session on my part before it goes on my Soundcloud page)

GV1 wrote:Is that mini mix composed of your own tracks? Or are any of your tracks in there?

Nope, the minimix was for a contest that was on here a while back to win a set at an event. I won that too


Should have a full tracklisting in the description