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started 2 years ago. still havent put out a fully completed tune. my main problem is trying to evolve a song. i can come up with 1 catchy 8bar loop but then trying to make the song evolve and not sound repetitive or have a completely different part come in that sounds just as good and matches the other parts is really hard. its like. i put a huge ammount of effort into 1 8bar section or whatever and once i finish that im like hmm.. now what? i really have no fuckin clue where to go from here. anyone got advice to counter this/

Frodo Bassbins wrote:started 2 years ago. still havent put out a fully completed tune. my main problem is trying to evolve a song. i can come up with 1 catchy 8bar loop but then trying to make the song evolve and not sound repetitive or have a completely different part come in that sounds just as good and matches the other parts is really hard. its like. i put a huge ammount of effort into 1 8bar section or whatever and once i finish that im like hmm.. now what? i really have no fuckin clue where to go from here. anyone got advice to counter this/

Try listening to songs, and writing down what goes on. Like, if you want to produce brostep or w/e, listen to Skrillex (or some other artist) and keep track of things like how many bars is the intro, drop, etc. And what instruments he brings in at certain times (like a synth coming in 8 bars into the intro or something).

When composing music, as well as producing music, it helps to put on some music and really LISTEN to what's going on. Don't just zone out and enjoy it, really concentrate on what's happening and all of the small changes that's going on.

ChadDub wrote:

Frodo Bassbins wrote:started 2 years ago. still havent put out a fully completed tune. my main problem is trying to evolve a song. i can come up with 1 catchy 8bar loop but then trying to make the song evolve and not sound repetitive or have a completely different part come in that sounds just as good and matches the other parts is really hard. its like. i put a huge ammount of effort into 1 8bar section or whatever and once i finish that im like hmm.. now what? i really have no fuckin clue where to go from here. anyone got advice to counter this/

Try listening to songs, and writing down what goes on. Like, if you want to produce brostep or w/e, listen to Skrillex (or some other artist) and keep track of things like how many bars is the intro, drop, etc. And what instruments he brings in at certain times (like a synth coming in 8 bars into the intro or something).

When composing music, as well as producing music, it helps to put on some music and really LISTEN to what's going on. Don't just zone out and enjoy it, really concentrate on what's happening and all of the small changes that's going on.

I'm sure the guy has listened to music and thought about it critically if he's been learning to produce for 2 years don't you think...?

dublerium wrote:

ChadDub wrote:

Frodo Bassbins wrote:started 2 years ago. still havent put out a fully completed tune. my main problem is trying to evolve a song. i can come up with 1 catchy 8bar loop but then trying to make the song evolve and not sound repetitive or have a completely different part come in that sounds just as good and matches the other parts is really hard. its like. i put a huge ammount of effort into 1 8bar section or whatever and once i finish that im like hmm.. now what? i really have no fuckin clue where to go from here. anyone got advice to counter this/

Try listening to songs, and writing down what goes on. Like, if you want to produce brostep or w/e, listen to Skrillex (or some other artist) and keep track of things like how many bars is the intro, drop, etc. And what instruments he brings in at certain times (like a synth coming in 8 bars into the intro or something).

When composing music, as well as producing music, it helps to put on some music and really LISTEN to what's going on. Don't just zone out and enjoy it, really concentrate on what's happening and all of the small changes that's going on.

I'm sure the guy has listened to music and thought about it critically if he's been learning to produce for 2 years don't you think...?

2 years isn't a long time for doing anything. I've been involved in music as a hobby for around 6 years (not just producing) and I'm just starting to piece everything together. Either way I'm just trying to help. It helped me when I did it a few weeks ago.

ChadDub wrote:

dublerium wrote:

ChadDub wrote:

Frodo Bassbins wrote:started 2 years ago. still havent put out a fully completed tune. my main problem is trying to evolve a song. i can come up with 1 catchy 8bar loop but then trying to make the song evolve and not sound repetitive or have a completely different part come in that sounds just as good and matches the other parts is really hard. its like. i put a huge ammount of effort into 1 8bar section or whatever and once i finish that im like hmm.. now what? i really have no fuckin clue where to go from here. anyone got advice to counter this/

Try listening to songs, and writing down what goes on. Like, if you want to produce brostep or w/e, listen to Skrillex (or some other artist) and keep track of things like how many bars is the intro, drop, etc. And what instruments he brings in at certain times (like a synth coming in 8 bars into the intro or something).

When composing music, as well as producing music, it helps to put on some music and really LISTEN to what's going on. Don't just zone out and enjoy it, really concentrate on what's happening and all of the small changes that's going on.

I'm sure the guy has listened to music and thought about it critically if he's been learning to produce for 2 years don't you think...?

2 years isn't a long time for doing anything. I've been involved in music as a hobby for around 6 years (not just producing) and I'm just starting to piece everything together. Either way I'm just trying to help. It helped me when I did it a few weeks ago.

I'm aware of time scale and music is not short term. He must have listened to music with a critical ear though or have some understanding of how songs piece together.. I know your trying to help but you start up dim-witted threads in here all the time yourself so don't try and act the intellectual by giving pretty menial advice..

Directed towards Chad, dublerium wrote:you start up dim-witted threads in here all the time

ahh, but those dim-witted threads have greatly reduced...hardly see em anymore.

dublerium wrote:

ChadDub wrote:

dublerium wrote:

ChadDub wrote:

Frodo Bassbins wrote:started 2 years ago. still havent put out a fully completed tune. my main problem is trying to evolve a song. i can come up with 1 catchy 8bar loop but then trying to make the song evolve and not sound repetitive or have a completely different part come in that sounds just as good and matches the other parts is really hard. its like. i put a huge ammount of effort into 1 8bar section or whatever and once i finish that im like hmm.. now what? i really have no fuckin clue where to go from here. anyone got advice to counter this/

Try listening to songs, and writing down what goes on. Like, if you want to produce brostep or w/e, listen to Skrillex (or some other artist) and keep track of things like how many bars is the intro, drop, etc. And what instruments he brings in at certain times (like a synth coming in 8 bars into the intro or something).

When composing music, as well as producing music, it helps to put on some music and really LISTEN to what's going on. Don't just zone out and enjoy it, really concentrate on what's happening and all of the small changes that's going on.

I'm sure the guy has listened to music and thought about it critically if he's been learning to produce for 2 years don't you think...?

2 years isn't a long time for doing anything. I've been involved in music as a hobby for around 6 years (not just producing) and I'm just starting to piece everything together. Either way I'm just trying to help. It helped me when I did it a few weeks ago.

I'm aware of time scale and music is not short term. He must have listened to music with a critical ear though or have some understanding of how songs piece together.. I know your trying to help but you start up dim-witted threads in here all the time yourself so don't try and act the intellectual by giving pretty menial advice..

jrisreal wrote:

Directed towards Chad, dublerium wrote:you start up dim-witted threads in here all the time

ahh, but those dim-witted threads have greatly reduced...hardly see em anymore.

this is good news

good response... i'm not mad at all no beef.

ChadDub wrote:

Frodo Bassbins wrote:started 2 years ago. still havent put out a fully completed tune. my main problem is trying to evolve a song. i can come up with 1 catchy 8bar loop but then trying to make the song evolve and not sound repetitive or have a completely different part come in that sounds just as good and matches the other parts is really hard. its like. i put a huge ammount of effort into 1 8bar section or whatever and once i finish that im like hmm.. now what? i really have no fuckin clue where to go from here. anyone got advice to counter this/

Try listening to songs, and writing down what goes on. Like, if you want to produce brostep or w/e, listen to Skrillex (or some other artist) and keep track of things like how many bars is the intro, drop, etc. And what instruments he brings in at certain times (like a synth coming in 8 bars into the intro or something).

When composing music, as well as producing music, it helps to put on some music and really LISTEN to what's going on. Don't just zone out and enjoy it, really concentrate on what's happening and all of the small changes that's going on.

Ya this is actually good advice. I have done this but not often enough. most of the time im listening to music im doing other shit and not fully analysing whats happening. tbh i do have full songs and can evolve 8bar loops but its something i really strugle with and takes alot out of me. but the only thing truely keeping me from putting the tunes out there is the fact i dont know how to eq compress limit master or anything to do with getting your tunes sounding professional (i.e every instrument in its space and clearly distinguishable, or how to make really proffesional sounds to begin with. thus resulting in my tunes mostly sounding like a muddy mess compared to proffesional tunes that i listen to.

Everyone has different working methods...

..personally, I usually have about 6-12 tracks that I am *actively* working on... and another 20+ WIPs that I fiddle with but aren't worked on with the same frequency...

Frodo Bassbins wrote:

ChadDub wrote:

Frodo Bassbins wrote:started 2 years ago. still havent put out a fully completed tune. my main problem is trying to evolve a song. i can come up with 1 catchy 8bar loop but then trying to make the song evolve and not sound repetitive or have a completely different part come in that sounds just as good and matches the other parts is really hard. its like. i put a huge ammount of effort into 1 8bar section or whatever and once i finish that im like hmm.. now what? i really have no fuckin clue where to go from here. anyone got advice to counter this/

Try listening to songs, and writing down what goes on. Like, if you want to produce brostep or w/e, listen to Skrillex (or some other artist) and keep track of things like how many bars is the intro, drop, etc. And what instruments he brings in at certain times (like a synth coming in 8 bars into the intro or something).

When composing music, as well as producing music, it helps to put on some music and really LISTEN to what's going on. Don't just zone out and enjoy it, really concentrate on what's happening and all of the small changes that's going on.

Ya this is actually good advice. I have done this but not often enough. most of the time im listening to music im doing other shit and not fully analysing whats happening. tbh i do have full songs and can evolve 8bar loops but its something i really strugle with and takes alot out of me. but the only thing truely keeping me from putting the tunes out there is the fact i dont know how to eq compress limit master or anything to do with getting your tunes sounding professional (i.e every instrument in its space and clearly distinguishable, or how to make really proffesional sounds to begin with. thus resulting in my tunes mostly sounding like a muddy mess compared to proffesional tunes that i listen to.

Surely if your struggeling on developing a tune then listen to something you like and see what happens is the single most obvious thing to do.. When composing a song some flow and some don't, to be honest I find the best way is to just get something done then listen through and in my head I just know if something should or shouldn't be there, so for example I created a second drop in a tune and realised it should be the first as the first section was too slow of a build up for the type of song it was, so I erased the first half and started a new second half and the tune felt well structured and fitting.

Read this interview of appleblim, he says the main thing you need to do is EQ'ing and can get great sounds just from doing this. I don't know how to attempt to master my own tracks as such but my mixdowns are already beggining to sound tighter and take shape... tis a good read, check some of the other interviews there too this will definetely be covered. ... http://blog.dubspot.com/appleblim-apple ... -releases/

Mad EP wrote:Everyone has different working methods...

..personally, I usually have about 6-12 tracks that I am *actively* working on... and another 20+ WIPs that I fiddle with but aren't worked on with the same frequency...

Wow that seems like a lot to me at the moment! I might give it a go in the future to have lots of projects at once as i'm just doing 1 at a time, this could be cool though as they could all influence and effect each other