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look you don't actually need to ask these questions on a forum, if you don't wanna use FL use your initiative and try out other DAWs

brettheaslewood wrote:look you don't actually need to ask these questions on a forum, if you don't wanna use FL use your initiative and try out other DAWs

brettheaslewood wrote:look you don't actually need to ask these questions on a forum, if you don't wanna use FL use your initiative and try out other DAWs

he is, that's why he's asking

cloak and dagger wrote:

brettheaslewood wrote:look you don't actually need to ask these questions on a forum, if you don't wanna use FL use your initiative and try out other DAWs

he is, that's why he's asking

but surely if you've been making music for a year on fruity loops you know that there are other DAWs in this world, and you probably know there names.
you don't really need suggestions.

it's what feels right, not what someone else feels is right.

cloak and dagger wrote:

B-Frank wrote:I disagree with the people who disagree... Not because I love FL studio... But if you know the ins and outs of a system completely, switching to something you don't know can only be counter productive for the most part. Your work flow will suffer and your frustrtion will increase ten fold. Doesn't sound like a good deal to me in fairness.

Unless the new workflow suits the user more than the old one...

and how long will it take to be in a position when the workflow suits the user more. I mean if you have been using FL studio or any other DAW for a year or more. You are going to know pretty much all of the most minuscule workings of it. If you jump to a new DAW you are going to spend a long time not really knowing how to do a lot of things.

B-Frank wrote:

cloak and dagger wrote:

B-Frank wrote:I disagree with the people who disagree... Not because I love FL studio... But if you know the ins and outs of a system completely, switching to something you don't know can only be counter productive for the most part. Your work flow will suffer and your frustrtion will increase ten fold. Doesn't sound like a good deal to me in fairness.

Unless the new workflow suits the user more than the old one...

and how long will it take to be in a position when the workflow suits the user more. I mean if you have been using FL studio or any other DAW for a year or more. You are going to know pretty much all of the most minuscule workings of it. If you jump to a new DAW you are going to spend a long time not really knowing how to do a lot of things.

Even after a year, if you started out with 0 knowledge of the program, chances are you still don't know all the inner-workings of the program. I've been using FL for a long time now and I still find out little things that I never knew existed, or knew they existed but at the time of learning about them didn't understand how to effectively use it or in what situations it would be effective. In the cases of the latter you end up forgetting that those features even exist cause you didn't apply them at the time of learning of their existence. A lot of times it's those small things or forgotten things that can end up making the biggest impact in your workflow and you just didn't realize this because you started out not knowing how things should work in the first place.

Honestly, I would say that maybe after a year of producing on one DAW, it actually might be the best time to look into the other DAWs on the market. After a year of using one program I think you've really started to understand what it is you want to do and how you want to do it and begin making more accurate comparisons of each DAW. The one huge drawback in doing this though, is all the time you are now going to have to spend learning a new program rather than applying that time to getting better at producing.

You spent one year with FL, and if you think you still don't know about a lot of the features or how to apply them chances are you'll end up spending another year on a new DAW just trying to get back to a similar understanding of it. A new DAW will not make you a better producer, but the difference in workflow could make the whole experience much smoother. So I definitely don't think it's really a bad idea to at least try some different options, but keep in mind that just because you know how to use one DAW doesn't mean you will be able to just open a different program and use it the same way.

Nokturn wrote:

B-Frank wrote:

cloak and dagger wrote:

B-Frank wrote:I disagree with the people who disagree... Not because I love FL studio... But if you know the ins and outs of a system completely, switching to something you don't know can only be counter productive for the most part. Your work flow will suffer and your frustrtion will increase ten fold. Doesn't sound like a good deal to me in fairness.

Unless the new workflow suits the user more than the old one...

and how long will it take to be in a position when the workflow suits the user more. I mean if you have been using FL studio or any other DAW for a year or more. You are going to know pretty much all of the most minuscule workings of it. If you jump to a new DAW you are going to spend a long time not really knowing how to do a lot of things.

Honestly, I would say that maybe after a year of producing on one DAW, it actually might be the best time to look into the other DAWs on the market. After a year of using one program I think you've really started to understand what it is you want to do and how you want to do it and begin making more accurate comparisons of each DAW. The one huge drawback in doing this though, is all the time you are now going to have to spend learning a new program rather than applying that time to getting better at producing.

You spent one year with FL, and if you think you still don't know about a lot of the features or how to apply them chances are you'll end up spending another year on a new DAW just trying to get back to a similar understanding of it. A new DAW will not make you a better producer, but the difference in workflow could make the whole experience much smoother. So I definitely don't think it's really a bad idea to at least try some different options, but keep in mind that just because you know how to use one DAW doesn't mean you will be able to just open a different program and use it the same way.

exactly

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Have you sold JUS WAAAAN BEAT yet?

cloak and dagger wrote:

B-Frank wrote:I disagree with the people who disagree... Not because I love FL studio... But if you know the ins and outs of a system completely, switching to something you don't know can only be counter productive for the most part. Your work flow will suffer and your frustrtion will increase ten fold. Doesn't sound like a good deal to me in fairness.

Unless the new workflow suits the user more than the old one...

For as dissimilar as most DAWs aren't, artistically speaking...

Every one of these pieces of software has its pros and cons, to be sure. But there's no way someone who's been working in one DAW for one year, and who can't (or in any case hasn't) articulated his frustration any more specifically than that he's "tired of" that DAW, is going to benefit from starting from scratch again with another piece of software. Such a person has no workflow to speak of.

This guy isn't going to benefit from starting from jump again, he'll likely run into the same walls he's hit now. He'll be much better off trying to identify and overcome his frustrations. As has been said, after one year of even well-studied use, he isn't using FL Studio to anywhere near its capabilities.

I guess the issue of money probably doesn't matter, I suspect a vast majority of those who browse this forum pirated their copies of Ableton and Massive anyway.

thanks for all the comments!
i didnt explain fully in my first comment as i was in a rush, yes im getting tired of fl but doesnt mean im gunna stop using it,
its what i started on and will not stop using as i av had a lot a fun using it and still have things i want to learn on it!
i was just looking for something else to tinker with when i wasnt using fl

I switched from FL to Ableton and i love it

Download the fully functional 30 day trial of Ableton and give it a whirl
Its a bit dodgy at first but it makes a lot more sense to me than FL did

Jas0n wrote:

cloak and dagger wrote:

B-Frank wrote:I disagree with the people who disagree... Not because I love FL studio... But if you know the ins and outs of a system completely, switching to something you don't know can only be counter productive for the most part. Your work flow will suffer and your frustrtion will increase ten fold. Doesn't sound like a good deal to me in fairness.

Unless the new workflow suits the user more than the old one...

For as dissimilar as most DAWs aren't, artistically speaking...

Every one of these pieces of software has its pros and cons, to be sure. But there's no way someone who's been working in one DAW for one year, and who can't (or in any case hasn't) articulated his frustration any more specifically than that he's "tired of" that DAW, is going to benefit from starting from scratch again with another piece of software. Such a person has no workflow to speak of.

This guy isn't going to benefit from starting from jump again, he'll likely run into the same walls he's hit now. He'll be much better off trying to identify and overcome his frustrations. As has been said, after one year of even well-studied use, he isn't using FL Studio to anywhere near its capabilities.

I guess the issue of money probably doesn't matter, I suspect a vast majority of those who browse this forum pirated their copies of Ableton and Massive anyway.

He's using FL Studio. I'd say the workflow of that DAW is pretty different from other ones.

This isn't an issue of using a DAW's "capabilities." It's an issue of using a DAW that suits your workflow (yes, everybody has an inherent workflow) and one you feel comfortable with.

I'm not saying he should switch; I'm simply saying that telling him he shouldn't switch isn't necessarily good advice.

I have done a lot of little switches, started with FL studio, and imo switching even if its for a week messing around with a demo, helps a hell of a lot, I know how to make beats in basically any DAW and some do different things than others, for me its sped up my workflow immensely knowing how other DAW's get to it.