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we all gotta eat... its not fair to bash those guys for making a living doing what they love

handbanana wrote:As far as your kidnapping idea goes... I'd much rather stick him in a room with all his computer gear and make him transfer every tune he completed between 06-09/10 onto a big ass harddrive to be express mailed straight to transition for cutting.

im not one who is prone to kidnapping, but i might seriously rethink my moral stance if this played out as you've described

my 2 cents: ive got nothing but respect for the innovators, even the ones who are releasing music that I don't like. i was really confused when i first heard that magnetic man album last year. three of the strong pillars of the sound collaborating to make something waaaaay more commercial sounding than their previous releases just didnt make sense. but then I realized that around the same time there was a strong growth in the popularity of that "aggressive trancey 140 sound" at street level by producers who were new to the scene. these new guys were shooting up fast and becoming the face of the sound (or at least the word "dubstep"). the guys who had been in the game for a while are keeping with the times, and making sure that they not only find the commercial success that they deserve (and they definitely do deserve it), but also that they are able to stand out in front of what goes on.

it really isn't any of the producers that annoy me, they are simply doing what they enjoy (or are trying to find fame/money/etc). I'm more irritated with the demand for the harder-modern sound, the angry-aggressive-fistpumping-headbanging culture that is associated with it (in my small corner of the world), and the saturation of club venues with that sound (again, in my town at least) that leaves no room for the more ...nuanced variations within the genre. dont hate the player, hate the game?

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baseband wrote: it really isn't any of the producers that annoy me, they are simply doing what they enjoy (or are trying to find fame/money/etc). I'm more irritated with the demand for the harder-modern sound, the angry-aggressive-fistpumping-headbanging culture that is associated with it (in my small corner of the world), and the saturation of club venues with that sound (again, in my town at least) that leaves no room for the more ...nuanced variations within the genre. dont hate the player, hate the game?

^Words from a mouth attached to a head screwed on properly.
Hate the game

Some are money motivated + girls + hype
Some just honestly like the sound of it
Either way, fair play

Let dem do wha dem a do
An you be coo

“It’s a different age range now – there are a lot of kids now and they’re really into dubstep”, he says before pausing, “But they’re not into the dubstep what was being played at 3rd Bass.”

“I don’t really play full dubstep line-ups anymore and the diehards will avoid a show I’m at now unless I’m playing at DMZ,” he says.

In the past his wide variety of productions has sometimes attracted criticism – especially from the online community.

“I know there were a couple of people on certain forums that really started dissing me hard at one point,” he says, before smiling, “But I love it when people say ‘Skream’s sold out.’

“What people don’t realise is because the majority of people listen to what’s played by mainstream DJs, they just think, ‘That’s all he’s making’ but then forget, I’m still making tunes for Youngsta, Hatcha and Mala,” he says.

http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2011/09/ ... %E2%80%99/

Boy making bank, can't knock that he is extending his style and caliber. Good marketing imo.

uphigh wrote:

baseband wrote: it really isn't any of the producers that annoy me, they are simply doing what they enjoy (or are trying to find fame/money/etc). I'm more irritated with the demand for the harder-modern sound, the angry-aggressive-fistpumping-headbanging culture that is associated with it (in my small corner of the world), and the saturation of club venues with that sound (again, in my town at least) that leaves no room for the more ...nuanced variations within the genre. dont hate the player, hate the game?

^Words from a mouth attached to a head screwed on properly.
Hate the game

Some are money motivated + girls + hype
Some just honestly like the sound of it
Either way, fair play

Let dem do wha dem a do
An you be coo

I don't particularly have an opinion on this, but "the game" is at least to some extent perpetuated by "the players". If there weren't people willing to play "the game" there would be none.

I don't give a quarter of a fuck about anything at all.

Cornbreadddd wrote:I don't give a quarter of a fuck about anything at all.

You obviously care about cornbread.
That's giving >a quarter of a fuck.

cornbread is so good what do they put sugar in ther/

for someone who loves deep, laid back vibes, you sure do have alot of hate in your heart. if you love the genre, love all aspects of it, at least respect it. roll down your goddamn turtleneck and embrace the bass.

So, just to confirm, someone slags a tune of yours off in a public forum... This gets you so pissed off that you use a public forum to slag someone completely unrelated off?

There's a certain amount irony to the story...

If you can't take criticism don't post your tunes on the internet.

Cornbreadddd wrote:I don't give a quarter of a fuck about anything at all.

shut up you

i hate you and hope you die

handbanana wrote:As far as your kidnapping idea goes... I'd much rather stick him in a room with all his computer gear and make him transfer every tune he completed between 06-09/10 onto a big ass harddrive to be express mailed straight to transition for cutting.

^^ THIS!! Seriously.. how many tunes has the man made over the years... gotta be some ridiculous number

why does all these hipsters hate skrillex, the founder of dubstep?

ehh to be fair, fuck marketing, fuck all that bullshit. fucking reading a crowd and fuck playing what everyone wants to hear. that shit is for the birds

I think the problem nowadays is that Dubstep is attracting more and more people to the scene, so their just going to look at the current, not at the past. It's only the people that have liked dubstep from 06/07 that actually really know the roots and where it's grown from.

Nowadays people ask me "Do you like Flux Pavilion? THEIR really good". Things like that hurt my soul..

Graftadj wrote:I think the problem nowadays is that Dubstep is attracting more and more people to the scene, so their just going to look at the current, not at the past. It's only the people that have liked dubstep from 06/07 that actually really know the roots and where it's grown from.

Nowadays people ask me "Do you like Flux Pavilion? THEIR really good". Things like that hurt my soul..

Yeah! Same with the rock scene. How could anybody only appreciate the new guys, when the predecessors were clearly the only people who should rightly be called rock.

Predecessors... where does that start and stop?

I can't name a current hot rock group that hasn't been around for a decade anyway. But does it matter? According to your reasoning, such a group is necessarily worthless. I just want to know how far back a person has to go in order to say they "know the roots" here... Pearl Jam? Queen? The Beatles? Elmore James?

Ultimately it's ridiculous to try to cling to the word "dubstep" and prevent those newer acts, which maybe you don't like, from walking away with it. For one thing, you're not going to stop anybody. For another, just as Billy Corgan is every bit as much a rocker as was Chuck Berry, evolution is a natural consequent of any change in time. And really it just makes you look like a cranky old fool.

To appreciate the past is sensible. To cling to it like a baby his blanket is childish. To refuse to acknowledge the legitimacy of the present is to condemn any possibility of a bright future. Get it?

Jas0n wrote:

Graftadj wrote:I think the problem nowadays is that Dubstep is attracting more and more people to the scene, so their just going to look at the current, not at the past. It's only the people that have liked dubstep from 06/07 that actually really know the roots and where it's grown from.

Nowadays people ask me "Do you like Flux Pavilion? THEIR really good". Things like that hurt my soul..

Yeah! Same with the rock scene. How could anybody only appreciate the new guys, when the predecessors were clearly the only people who should rightly be called rock.

Predecessors... where does that start and stop?

I can't name a current hot rock group that hasn't been around for a decade anyway. But does it matter? According to your reasoning, such a group is necessarily worthless. I just want to know how far back a person has to go in order to say they "know the roots" here... Pearl Jam? Queen? The Beatles? Elmore James?

Ultimately it's ridiculous to try to cling to the word "dubstep" and prevent those newer acts, which maybe you don't like, from walking away with it. For one thing, you're not going to stop anybody. For another, just as Billy Corgan is every bit as much a rocker as was Chuck Berry, evolution is a natural consequent of any change in time. And really it just makes you look like a cranky old fool.

To appreciate the past is sensible. To cling to it like a baby his blanket is childish. To refuse to acknowledge the legitimacy of the present is to condemn any possibility of a bright future. Get it?

What did you come to this forum for dude?

Jas0n wrote: Yeah! Same with the rock scene. How could anybody only appreciate the new guys, when the predecessors were clearly the only people who should rightly be called rock.

Rock is a very wide genre so it's not the same. That's more comparable to EDM in my opinion and people from very different sounds are called EDM (or rock).

Predecessors... where does that start and stop?

It starts at the generally agreed beginning of a genre. In dubstep's case El-B, Horsepower etc. I've even seen Fat Larry's Skank claimed as the first indisputable (in that it wasn't dark garage or anything else) dubstep track. Not sure whether I agree completely with citing a single track but still.

I can't name a current hot rock group that hasn't been around for a decade anyway. But does it matter? According to your reasoning, such a group is necessarily worthless. I just want to know how far back a person has to go in order to say they "know the roots" here... Pearl Jam? Queen? The Beatles? Elmore James?

Well it's not a group but Purling Hiss' self-titled was pretty fresh. Though admittedly that's not going to be everyone's cup of tea. But like you said that's not really the issue here. His argument wasn't that all newer dubstep is crap it was actually worse, that anyone who hasn't liked dubstep since 06/07 (I guess I just about pass his 'test') doesn't know the roots of the scene. And again with that rock analogy I'd say you should probably know at least about Chuck Berry, Screamin' Jay Hawkins etc if you're going to claim to 'know the roots' of rock. In honesty though I don't think many of the brosteppers claim to know the roots but if they do and they think it started with Rusko releasing Cockney Thug then that is very sad.

Ultimately it's ridiculous to try to cling to the word "dubstep" and prevent those newer acts, which maybe you don't like, from walking away with it. For one thing, you're not going to stop anybody. For another, just as Billy Corgan is every bit as much a rocker as was Chuck Berry, evolution is a natural consequent of any change in time. And really it just makes you look like a cranky old fool.

Most of the dungeon producers have been making dubstep for no longer than the filth guys and few of the original heads seem to care about them using the genre name. I agree though it is useless trying to stop people using a genre name for a completely different sound. It's happened before and it will definitely happen again. Again the rock analogies are useless as that's a better comparison to EDM as a whole.

To appreciate the past is sensible. To cling to it like a baby his blanket is childish. To refuse to acknowledge the legitimacy of the present is to condemn any possibility of a bright future. Get it?

I agree being stuck in the past is a futile move but (I'm not sure about Graftadj specifically) most of the older fans of the scene still find lots of dubstep they enjoy. There is a thread going right now with people's top 10 of 2011 and the phrase 'too many to choose from' pops up continuously. Get it?