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joeki wrote:

Boards of Canada used both Kitchen Utensils as well as rainy nights, did they produce proto-garage?

back to the future garage?

If it has those back to the future instant pizza's, you will have no quarrel with me.

joeki wrote:Gotta play with the cards you're dealt. Here I am wishing Jungle would totally come back.
Then again, in Belgium, the scene was fucking special. Much like dubstep: 20-30 heads doing their thing in small smoky venues with big rigs. The music might have been different, the vibe sure wasn't. (jungle revived here in a big time about 2001-2003, just before dubstep started to come up here).
Best times of my life. That's the reason why I'm no fan of the 'new' dubstep: that vibe is gone. Inherently, I have no beef with the tear-out movement, or the fans. My grievances stem more from a selfish wish to return to those days I suppose.
And that's what brings me to house/garage revival: again, different music but right now, that special vibe is there. 50 people enjoying music for the value of music (and a bit of a dance), small venues, all big fun without going bombastic or ballistic.
So there is a thread!


Boards of Canada used both Kitchen Utensils as well as rainy nights, did they produce proto-garage?

Wow, you have me in tears now as well!

yeh i have no beef, because caspa and other people wanted dubstep to be more club friendly, lol i had to reinstall a ton of cd's and i have a mixture of old skool garage to dark garage and dubstep, and u kind of get a bit sentimental...music means alot to some people, i can only imagine how bad some of the rave.dnb,heads felt when everything went pop..

i still listen to dubstep, its just so close to future garage like janner - hyperion (saviour remix)
i feel kind of angry so i dont even class it as dubstep lol

Personally I dont think there was "one tune" which made the split.
It was a number of factors that gradually led to there being an obvious distinction between what is now called Dubstep and what is now called Future Garage.

In the beginning there was no name and loads were used if you remember, like Detroit 2 Step, Psychedelic Garage, Future Garage, 2 Dub etc etc..
There were loads of names floating around, and the one that stuck was Future Garage.

I seem to be constantly asked to explain the name to people, even the same people more than once!

The Future part of the name doesn't mean "this will be what people will listen to in the future" which is what a lot of detractors seem to think it does.

What the Future part means is simply giving Garage a future.

If you remember in 2006 it was unthinkable to say you were into Garage, it was a swear word in clubs. Future Garage (along with Niche/Bassline) has rehabilitated Garage as a whole, benefiting everyone in all strands of Garage now (new and old).

Why not just simply call it Garage (or even worse "UKG") well for one UKG is not seeking a progressive scene, old UKG djs very rarely play new material, maybe 1 or 2 tracks in a set if your very lucky. Future Garage is all about new sounds and really pushing what Garage can and should be. Future Garage also shouldn't be confused with a genre proper, rather, Future Garage is a descriptive term for the collection of diff strands of Garage that are around right now pushing Garage forward. You have what most people probably think of as being FG (deep and/or ambient sounding slinky tunes) but there is also Nu Garage (think Mike Delinquent), there is New Skool Garage (think Elski, Solution), Niche/Bassline (think Sheffield scene) there are numerous other smaller sub-scenes like the UKB, Psychedelic and Tech scenes. To simply say "its all Garage" is true, but doesn't define what type of Garage it is, its like saying "its House" well what kind of House?

UKG (traditional 2 Step and 4 by 4) should really be thought of as Old School Garage, the people making "new UKG" aren't looking for a healthy scene full of diff influences, they are looking to relive the glory days of the late 90's with an attitude of "if we can milk this again lets do it".

If you want a prediction in the future there will loads of strands of Garage and the "oh but in the future we cant call it Future Garage" debate is moot because by then everything that is currently considered Future Garage will have been broken down into more refined definitions of Garage.

Hope that's been of some help

Giving garage a future..I'm all for that. Bigup L2S (Clueless - Torrid Affairs is in my top 20 albums of 2011 with good reason!)

Whistla wrote:Personally I dont think there was "one tune" which made the split.
It was a number of factors that gradually led to there being an obvious distinction between what is now called Dubstep and what is now called Future Garage.

In the beginning there was no name and loads were used if you remember, like Detroit 2 Step, Psychedelic Garage, Future Garage, 2 Dub etc etc..
There were loads of names floating around, and the one that stuck was Future Garage.

I seem to be constantly asked to explain the name to people, even the same people more than once!

The Future part of the name doesn't mean "this will be what people will listen to in the future" which is what a lot of detractors seem to think it does.

What the Future part means is simply giving Garage a future.

If you remember in 2006 it was unthinkable to say you were into Garage, it was a swear word in clubs. Future Garage (along with Niche/Bassline) has rehabilitated Garage as a whole, benefiting everyone in all strands of Garage now (new and old).

Why not just simply call it Garage (or even worse "UKG") well for one UKG is not seeking a progressive scene, old UKG djs very rarely play new material, maybe 1 or 2 tracks in a set if your very lucky. Future Garage is all about new sounds and really pushing what Garage can and should be. Future Garage also shouldn't be confused with a genre proper, rather, Future Garage is a descriptive term for the collection of diff strands of Garage that are around right now pushing Garage forward. You have what most people probably think of as being FG (deep and/or ambient sounding slinky tunes) but there is also Nu Garage (think Mike Delinquent), there is New Skool Garage (think Elski, Solution), Niche/Bassline (think Sheffield scene) there are numerous other smaller sub-scenes like the UKB, Psychedelic and Tech scenes. To simply say "its all Garage" is true, but doesn't define what type of Garage it is, its like saying "its House" well what kind of House?

UKG (traditional 2 Step and 4 by 4) should really be thought of as Old School Garage, the people making "new UKG" aren't looking for a healthy scene full of diff influences, they are looking to relive the glory days of the late 90's with an attitude of "if we can milk this again lets do it".

If you want a prediction in the future there will loads of strands of Garage and the "oh but in the future we cant call it Future Garage" debate is moot because by then everything that is currently considered Future Garage will have been broken down into more refined definitions of Garage.

Hope that's been of some help

That Niche/Bassline part is essential, as well as the influence of Todd Edwards.

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cheers 4 the egg-plant-nation

Niche/bassline isn't necessarily my thing though I have to admit I'm no expert. In the house forum it's come up a few times. I've dugg into MikeQ's stuff but that's about as far informed as I am. It's heavy system music all right, but it doesn't speak to me at all. Lack of melody, and lack of rhythmical challenge for me personally in the stuff that I've heard. I adore my music in a home setting as much as the club...

Todd Edwards though....he changed my life . No worries seckle, I might use UK Garage as a nomenclature, I have not forgotten the States

joeki wrote:Niche/bassline isn't necessarily my thing though I have to admit I'm no expert. In the house forum it's come up a few times. I've dugg into MikeQ's stuff but that's about as far informed as I am. It's heavy system music all right, but it doesn't speak to me at all. Lack of melody, and lack of rhythmical challenge for me personally in the stuff that I've heard. I adore my music in a home setting as much as the club...

Todd Edwards though....he changed my life . No worries seckle, I might use UK Garage as a nomenclature, I have not forgotten the States

listen to Geenus - Shocka (Dub Mix)
love this bit of dark garage, i cant even explain it, its not even 4x4

Tbh I've been loving bassline/niche more than dubstep for awhile really, especially when it comes to playing out. It seems to be a tricky genre as I find loads of stuff I don't like but when it's right it's right!

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Do ya reckon it would be a good idea to start a thread discussing bassline and other such things? It would make me very happy but I dunno if it's suitable for the main forum.

tomity wrote:Do ya reckon it would be a good idea to start a thread discussing bassline and other such things? It would make me very happy but I dunno if it's suitable for the main forum.

there was a discussion of moombahton in the main forum I'd say bassline is at least as suitable

Hype Music has been getting it done for the past years. UK Garage all the way, true to the scene. http://soundcloud.com/hype-music

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joeki wrote:

Boards of Canada used both Kitchen Utensils as well as rainy nights, did they produce proto-garage?

ahem

joeki wrote:Gotta play with the cards you're dealt. Here I am wishing Jungle would totally come back.
Then again, in Belgium, the scene was fucking special. Much like dubstep: 20-30 heads doing their thing in small smoky venues with big rigs. The music might have been different, the vibe sure wasn't. (jungle revived here in a big time about 2001-2003, just before dubstep started to come up here).
Best times of my life. That's the reason why I'm no fan of the 'new' dubstep: that vibe is gone. Inherently, I have no beef with the tear-out movement, or the fans. My grievances stem more from a selfish wish to return to those days I suppose.
And that's what brings me to house/garage revival: again, different music but right now, that special vibe is there. 50 people enjoying music for the value of music (and a bit of a dance), small venues, all big fun without going bombastic or ballistic.
So there is a thread!


Boards of Canada used both Kitchen Utensils as well as rainy nights, did they produce proto-garage?

Wow, you have me in tears now as well!

I'm not at all familiair with the jungle scene here but I would love to be, pls inform me a ll

tomity wrote:Do ya reckon it would be a good idea to start a thread discussing bassline and other such things? It would make me very happy but I dunno if it's suitable for the main forum.

Go for it

I love threads like that!

mIrReN wrote:

joeki wrote:Gotta play with the cards you're dealt. Here I am wishing Jungle would totally come back.
Then again, in Belgium, the scene was fucking special. Much like dubstep: 20-30 heads doing their thing in small smoky venues with big rigs. The music might have been different, the vibe sure wasn't. (jungle revived here in a big time about 2001-2003, just before dubstep started to come up here).
Best times of my life. That's the reason why I'm no fan of the 'new' dubstep: that vibe is gone. Inherently, I have no beef with the tear-out movement, or the fans. My grievances stem more from a selfish wish to return to those days I suppose.
And that's what brings me to house/garage revival: again, different music but right now, that special vibe is there. 50 people enjoying music for the value of music (and a bit of a dance), small venues, all big fun without going bombastic or ballistic.
So there is a thread!


Boards of Canada used both Kitchen Utensils as well as rainy nights, did they produce proto-garage?

Wow, you have me in tears now as well!

I'm not at all familiair with the jungle scene here but I would love to be, pls inform me a ll

Hey man MirRen,
Jungle is all about Antwerp at the moment. You need to check out Ruffskool. They're a crew from my hometown (Heist-op-den-Berg). They were the ones doing the jungle nights back in early 2000. We really had sort of a micro-cosmos scene that attracted people from all over Belgium with almost weekly parties in the south-Antwerp / North-Braband region.
They still put up regular nights (a couple of times a year) of Jungle , Old-skool d&b and Hardcore/rave. They have a facebook page (ruffskool). They have since relocated to Antwerp City though, where all their nights are taking place. There's usually at least one UK-headliner at their nights.
Also, JH Noordpool (also Antwerp-North) hosts these kinds of parties all the time but usually coupled with some more experimental sounds (like glich, hiphop and then some breakes /Rave, sort of a bit of everything).
Also, DJ Primate/Wasp (of the old Dedkob collective who also organised raves in that period), he still does occasional ragga/jungle sets, so if you see him on the bill somewhere, chances are you'll get to hear some. And yeah, Hijak at untitled! tends to be about the jungle often.

That's the part of the scene that's still alive and kicking, but if you look at breakzforum, there's smaller (youthclub style) parties in jungle/hardcore style announced there from time to time as well! Probably will require some travel though.

Hope that helped!

also @goonstock, no shit, that was the tune I had in mind , it was a bit of sarcastic post

Whistla wrote: In the beginning there was no name and loads were used if you remember, like Detroit 2 Step, Psychedelic Garage, Future Garage, 2 Dub etc etc..

always liked term psychedelic garage loved the logo made from paradise garage logo but "2 dub"?? who used that?

If you remember in 2006 it was unthinkable to say you were into Garage, it was a swear word in clubs.

around those times there were elitist attitudes towards garage as being cheesy, but now it's the garage stuff which is seen as tasteful and seriously taken music. tbh i'm sure some of these ppl are making and listening to future garage now...