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when you cut a break up do you chop it on 1 track or 2 to3 tracks. how do you go about layering them, im assuming one track would be main kick snare in midi, a track with the break/breaks choped up high passed and a couple of other midi tracks for hats and other variouse percusive elements. could some one maybe be kind enough to post a screen shot?

tend to do it to 3 for eqing kicks, hats, snare but varies break to break and such

deadly habit wrote:tend to do it to 3 for eqing kicks, hats, snare but varies break to break and such

ok, thanks. would love to see how it is done, i love that sound... theres a track on a subtle audio compilation by macc and duffah, got me hooked.

well an easy way is to set your chop points in something like recycle etc and export the groove as a midi file if you like working in midi
otherwise chop and arrange, quantization should not always be on especially since breaks are from human players

Chop your break on the kick, snare and hi-hat and wherever else sounds good but leave the ghost notes of the break in there. Start jamming on these little breakages to find the funk.

gotta find the funk

deadly habit wrote:well an easy way is to set your chop points in something like recycle etc and export the groove as a midi file if you like working in midi
otherwise chop and arrange, quantization should not always be on especially since breaks are from human players

ok thanks, i have plenty of dnb breaks and fills but i feel like i would be cheating if i was to use them you know. i dont have proper drum breaks, although i have some dusty old scratch vinyl, dj craze shit. is it worth recording them and giving it a go?

http://www.rhythm-lab.com/breakbeats
and sampling your own is always great

haven't touched jungle in 3-ish years.

i always liked chopping breaks into bits that were a few 16th-notes long, basically breaking it up by the main kick & snare hits. this is definitely not a new idea, look to photek, etc, for absolute mastery of this.

the break itself i usually kept on 1 channel, and then layered additional kicks/snares/etc under for impact.

not that other styles aren't, but jungle is just so much about that crackly underground vibe-- and it takes a TON of work to get it there.

this'd be my fave recent junglist release; no surprise that it's stunningly produced, as it's by Danny Byrd.

deadly habit wrote:well an easy way is to set your chop points in something like recycle etc and export the groove as a midi file if you like working in midi
otherwise chop and arrange, quantization should not always be on especially since breaks are from human players

i found it helpful sometimes to chop and then quantize a version as well, and then re-chop that one to the same hitpoints as the non-quantized version-- esp. if layering breaks, use the quantized ones as layers and the non-quantized ones as fills.

ha, it's now totally evident why i stopped making jungle-- just so much damn work to get to 4 bars of drums!

Sharmaji wrote: not that other styles aren't, but jungle is just so much about that crackly underground vibe-- and it takes a TON of work to get it there.

thanks for tips everyone
what is the general way to get this, filtering and compression?

travis baker wrote:

Sharmaji wrote: not that other styles aren't, but jungle is just so much about that crackly underground vibe-- and it takes a TON of work to get it there.

thanks for tips everyone
what is the general way to get this, filtering and compression?

i'd say using an analogue mixing desk or recording to tape helps, but almost no one has that gear nowadays. it's all about that grit in the lowend, especially the 808 basslines.


hope that's inspiring.
and be careful with the obvious rasta samples, they're done to death and might turn a lot of people off. i suppose you have a lot of acapellas and samples in that direction cause you're interested in doing ragga jungle, start listening to that sort of music to find samples that aren't overused. also listen to lots of funk and jazz as those genres influenced a lot of early jungle.

hasezwei wrote:

travis baker wrote:

Sharmaji wrote: not that other styles aren't, but jungle is just so much about that crackly underground vibe-- and it takes a TON of work to get it there.

thanks for tips everyone
what is the general way to get this, filtering and compression?

i'd say using an analogue mixing desk or recording to tape helps, but almost no one has that gear nowadays. it's all about that grit in the lowend, especially the 808 basslines.


hope that's inspiring.
and be careful with the obvious rasta samples, they're done to death and might turn a lot of people off. i suppose you have a lot of acapellas and samples in that direction cause you're interested in doing ragga jungle, start listening to that sort of music to find samples that aren't overused. also listen to lots of funk and jazz as those genres influenced a lot of early jungle.

theres a reason us old heads still own tape decks and samplers

deadly habit wrote:

hasezwei wrote:

travis baker wrote:

Sharmaji wrote: not that other styles aren't, but jungle is just so much about that crackly underground vibe-- and it takes a TON of work to get it there.

thanks for tips everyone
what is the general way to get this, filtering and compression?

i'd say using an analogue mixing desk or recording to tape helps, but almost no one has that gear nowadays. it's all about that grit in the lowend, especially the 808 basslines.


hope that's inspiring.
and be careful with the obvious rasta samples, they're done to death and might turn a lot of people off. i suppose you have a lot of acapellas and samples in that direction cause you're interested in doing ragga jungle, start listening to that sort of music to find samples that aren't overused. also listen to lots of funk and jazz as those genres influenced a lot of early jungle.

theres a reason us old heads still own tape decks and samplers
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hit us up whith a few still functioning labels that do vinyl, all i know is scientific wax and subtle.

@deadly w/ the chopstick dubplates-- OG STATUS!

the vibe is all about carefully managed distortion-- if all folks had in 95 was a sampler, a mackie and an adat, you could jack up the outputs of the sampler and play w/ the trim on the mixer. you can emulate the same w/ plugs and ideally get something different.

An akai s950 test tone pitched down for bass . Dirty breaks off vinyl and Renoise .

TUDOR ROSSSSSSSSSSSSSE

Sharmaji wrote:@deadly w/ the chopstick dubplates-- OG STATUS!

the vibe is all about carefully managed distortion-- if all folks had in 95 was a sampler, a mackie and an adat, you could jack up the outputs of the sampler and play w/ the trim on the mixer. you can emulate the same w/ plugs and ideally get something different.

I reckon the other thing about that setup is the minimalism of it. Loads of people go on about trying to recapture the "grit" of the old sampler, but the other impact was that when people only really had drums, bass and a couple of samples to play with they had to make sure that each of them was fucking fierce rather than bolstering up the weak filler bits with loads of extraneous layers that lose the focus of the tune and eat up all the space in the mix.

deadly habit wrote:http://www.rhythm-lab.com/breakbeats
and sampling your own is always great

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvRgQG_1 ... re=related
do you know what break this is or something close to it this? love the jazzy shit...

deadly habit wrote:

TUDOR ROSSSSSSSSSSSSSE

muh GAWD