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Re: Playing the kick and bass a tad away from eachother
Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 12:06 am
by matb123
Sorry, but what is the difference between this and side-chaining your bass to your kick drum? Surely with the sidechaining settings set so that it is rather quick it would have the same effect because the compression would bring the bass down as the kick hits and then let it play at its full a split second later?
Re: Playing the kick and bass a tad away from eachother
Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 12:21 am
by Eat Bass
sidechaining is ducking the volume of your bass to your kick
this method is simply moving the start of your bass slightly after the kick so the initial kick hits and then the bass starts instead of at the exact same time.
^ but i think this method only works if you have your bass starting on a kick every time.
Re: Playing the kick and bass a tad away from eachother
Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 3:28 am
by Today
matb123 wrote:Sorry, but what is the difference between this and side-chaining your bass to your kick drum? Surely with the sidechaining settings set so that it is rather quick it would have the same effect because the compression would bring the bass down as the kick hits and then let it play at its full a split second later?
its not even close to the same
the first technique is to get a cluster of layered sounds to sound
bigger
The second is to get a necessarily layered sound to duck and become
smaller while the competing layered sound hits
Re: Playing the kick and bass a tad away from eachother
Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 5:59 am
by skyh
What is to be gained from side-chaining and offsetting at the same time?
Re: Playing the kick and bass a tad away from eachother
Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 6:25 am
by Electric_Head
skyhigh wrote:What is to be gained from side-chaining and offsetting at the same time?
Different concepts, different effects.
Offsetting makes the sound bigger while sidechaining creates a pumping bass effect.
Re: Playing the kick and bass a tad away from eachother
Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 8:15 am
by eldoogle
I tried it and it worked. Pretty awesome.
Re: Playing the kick and bass a tad away from eachother
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 2:33 pm
by skwiggo
If you have a daw with track delay (like Ableton, but i'm sure some other daws have this too) you can make sure your bass plays half a millisecond or whatever before your kick throughout your track without having to manually move each bass note
Re: Playing the kick and bass a tad away from eachother
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 5:36 pm
by bassinine
yeah, this sounds like korn's stupid way of explain side-chaining your kick and bass so the bass ducks for a few ms... leaving plenty of headroom for the kick to really snap.
or, as i do.
set the ENV on your sub bass to take a few ms to kick in, that way it's at 0 db when the kick hits, but very quickly rises to full volume after the kicks attack. just makes everything more punchy.
Re: Playing the kick and bass a tad away from eachother
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 5:46 pm
by Today
bassinine wrote:the ENV
Re: Playing the kick and bass a tad away from eachother
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 1:18 am
by spectralbeats
I would recommend 2 samples forward or backward in your daw, or use the 'humanize' function in your midi quantize options.
Re: Playing the kick and bass a tad away from eachother
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 7:03 am
by akyu
bassinine wrote:yeah, this sounds like korn's stupid way of explain side-chaining your kick and bass so the bass ducks for a few ms... leaving plenty of headroom for the kick to really snap.
or, as i do.
set the ENV on your sub bass to take a few ms to kick in, that way it's at 0 db when the kick hits, but very quickly rises to full volume after the kicks attack. just makes everything more punchy.
I agree, I think this is just the dude trying to explain side-chaining when he doesn't know what hes talking about.
That said, I think there might be some potential to this idea of delaying the bass by a few samples.