incnic wrote:It's a fleeting hipster aneurysm IMO
Much like those fuvking unrelated random VHS edits stnuc make - which completely devalues anyone who was into that kind of thing and reuse of untapped VHS lols. Prob the same guy who came up the idea of using hipster girls on 'uk house bass' cousin of the originator of triangles and 'space scenes'
Re: so whats with the whole vogue thing
Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 2:26 pm
by kingbananathe
well said
Re: so whats with the whole vogue thing
Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 4:48 pm
by q-t
incnic wrote:It's a fleeting hipster aneurysm IMO
Much like those fuvking unrelated random VHS edits stnuc make - which completely devalues anyone who was into that kind of thing and reuse of untapped VHS lols. Prob the same guy who came up the idea of using hipster girls on 'uk house bass' cousin of the originator of triangles and 'space scenes'
Haha!
Very pessimistic view but everyone knows it's true.
Btw, weren't you banned? Happy you're back, either way.
Re: so whats with the whole vogue thing
Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 5:06 pm
by +torment+
given the context, anything dubstepforum related is gonna have some um.. hipster quotient right? ditto for the bass music vogue beats thang.
but in the context & culture of HOUSE music & HOUSE DANCING in general, its just biznez as usual. Masters At Work are still legendary. seen?
Re: so whats with the whole vogue thing
Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 6:27 pm
by joeki
to say I couldn't give a shit about the "culture" behind it would be harsh and overstated. But generally, I've never watched any of those films/docu's. I'dont really care for the culture behind it, all I know is I just like the tunes (not all of them) and hearing MikeQ's EP's on a big system just really convinced me. As I've said once or twice before, for home listening this is probably too much.
Is that hipster? Don't know, I've been called hipster for less actually
Re: so whats with the whole vogue thing
Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 7:43 pm
by +torment+
joeki wrote:to say I couldn't give a shit about the "culture" behind it would be harsh and overstated. But generally, I've never watched any of those films/docu's. I'dont really care for the culture behind it, all I know is I just like the tunes (not all of them) and hearing MikeQ's EP's on a big system just really convinced me. As I've said once or twice before, for home listening this is probably too much.
Is that hipster? Don't know, I've been called hipster for less actually
^^ yo, MikeQ sets in the car!!! do it. shit gets crazy! seriously.
when u hear the tunes, take some time when u can to consider the actual DANCE that the tunes have inspired, or are based upon, u know what i mean? **house music dancing in general is pretty varied in styles & history. very much like the bboy hiphop thing,or more obviously the Chicago juke / footwork, ghetto tech thang ( which is entirely based in house music ), & its all cultured around an actual dance right? so to hear the references & tunes outside the physical dance culture of it all, there's always going to be something missing in the translation. which is kinda the point of this thread right? .. questioning the translation / reinterpretation of the music without the culture. blah blah, it happens all the time.this bass music shit can be the culprit here, lets admit it. ha.
as a house music fan in general, if yer looking back, you can't really overlook the presence of the vogue inspired beats & stateside riddims that have been there since day. for me that's the most interesting thing about it - the tunes the dances are inspired by, or even influence the production of sometimes ( that you hear now for example) - classics like old Todd Terry, Armand Van Helden "Witch Doctor", Basement Jaxx - Fly Life, MAW "the Ha", Interactive "Up and Down", old Chez Damier beats, right up to Major Lazer joints now. there's lots.
it all makes a DOPE mixtape, that's for sure. this IS a house music sub forum after all dig?
check it, lets talk about the actual dance lineage here. you can actually look @ all of it from a hiphop perspective.
yo, if there's any b-boy or hiphop heads reading this thread, Mr Wiggles ( NYC - Zulu Nation, Rock Steady Crew, Electric Boogaloos, etc ) gives a quick take on early Rockin & straight up House Music dancing in this class setting interview @ 7mins in - the Latin roots of b-boying, boogaloo, & house dancing. its very interesting.
original dance styles seem to be: latin styles like the Mombo, Rocking, Lofting, Boogaloo - including poppin & locking, B-boying, Waacking, then Vogue - which also includes elements of b-boying, freezing, poppin, & locking, on to House Dancing , then onwards. strictly on a physical dance level, its all in there. its just a hiphop vs. disco incarnation of dancing & where they ended up. i come from a hiphop background as a kid, so to learn all about this later on within the context of house music is pretty ill. once again purely on a dj-ing level, any interest in HOUSE music is based on the dance culture that it has inspired. huge history to it all. it has everything to do with House music from the root.
Archie Burnett (House of Ninja) further goes on to explain the US west coast vs. east coast styles - from the early Soul Train dancers, boogaloo, Waacking vs. Vogue - once again, different variations of house music dancing.
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^^ obvious b-boy elements & influences in that last battle there.
Re: so whats with the whole vogue thing
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 4:46 pm
by benq
incnic wrote:It's a fleeting hipster aneurysm IMO
Much like those fuvking unrelated random VHS edits stnuc make - which completely devalues anyone who was into that kind of thing and reuse of untapped VHS lols. Prob the same guy who came up the idea of using hipster girls on 'uk house bass' cousin of the originator of triangles and 'space scenes'
1. see new musical trend that you don't like
2. act all butthurt about it, then blame "the hipsters"
another fine day's work.
Re: so whats with the whole vogue thing
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 4:49 pm
by benq
joeki wrote:to say I couldn't give a shit about the "culture" behind it would be harsh and overstated. But generally, I've never watched any of those films/docu's. I'dont really care for the culture behind it, all I know is I just like the tunes (not all of them) and hearing MikeQ's EP's on a big system just really convinced me. As I've said once or twice before, for home listening this is probably too much.
Is that hipster? Don't know, I've been called hipster for less actually
nine times out of ten when people throw around the word hipster, it's just their way of devaluing your opinion.
"oh, you like [band x] that i haven't heard of...well i'll just call you a hipster. that makes you look bad, and makes my ignorance look better, and more acceptable!"
Re: so whats with the whole vogue thing
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 4:50 pm
by benq
+torment+ wrote:
joeki wrote:to say I couldn't give a shit about the "culture" behind it would be harsh and overstated. But generally, I've never watched any of those films/docu's. I'dont really care for the culture behind it, all I know is I just like the tunes (not all of them) and hearing MikeQ's EP's on a big system just really convinced me. As I've said once or twice before, for home listening this is probably too much.
Is that hipster? Don't know, I've been called hipster for less actually
^^ yo, MikeQ sets in the car!!! do it. shit gets crazy! seriously.
when u hear the tunes, take some time when u can to consider the actual DANCE that the tunes have inspired, or are based upon, u know what i mean? **house music dancing in general is pretty varied in styles & history. very much like the bboy hiphop thing,or more obviously the Chicago juke / footwork, ghetto tech thang ( which is entirely based in house music ), & its all cultured around an actual dance right? so to hear the references & tunes outside the physical dance culture of it all, there's always going to be something missing in the translation. which is kinda the point of this thread right? .. questioning the translation / reinterpretation of the music without the culture. blah blah, it happens all the time.this bass music shit can be the culprit here, lets admit it. ha.
as a house music fan in general, if yer looking back, you can't really overlook the presence of the vogue inspired beats & stateside riddims that have been there since day. for me that's the most interesting thing about it - the tunes the dances are inspired by, or even influence the production of sometimes ( that you hear now for example) - classics like old Todd Terry, Armand Van Helden "Witch Doctor", Basement Jaxx - Fly Life, MAW "the Ha", Interactive "Up and Down", old Chez Damier beats, right up to Major Lazer joints now. there's lots.
it all makes a DOPE mixtape, that's for sure. this IS a house music sub forum after all dig?
fucking well said. can't agree more.
Re: so whats with the whole vogue thing
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 8:31 pm
by pikeymobile
i like it
Re: so whats with the whole vogue thing
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 8:31 pm
by pikeymobile
etc
Re: so whats with the whole vogue thing
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 8:32 pm
by pikeymobile
i know nothing about the culture though
Re: so whats with the whole vogue thing
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 9:14 pm
by fractal
alex bk-bk wrote:night slugs been on the ballroom tip for years playing track by Mike Q and Vjuan Allure since Kingdom showed me them back in the day
i guess a lot of other people have got into it since then and rightly so cos theyre very good stripped down club traks
a little tune called Swims may have helped with the craze
big up kingdom for the night slugs ballroom access!
always good to see american sounds getting big across the pond
shame that people disregard the culture (of ballroom, not house, which is too huge to have one culture imo)
Re: so whats with the whole vogue thing
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 9:24 pm
by Sexual_Chocolate
pikeymobile wrote:i know nothing about the culture though
according to the dubstep heads (eg skream) you dont need to know anything about the culture or history, you just have to like it.... so im sure that this theory would cross over to any other genre
Re: so whats with the whole vogue thing
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 9:57 pm
by fractal
it's a personal decision really. i like to learn about that shit, some people don't care or don't have the time and that's understandable. it's music so it shouldn't be something to stress
case in point, gerry read. doesn't know/care about club culture but makes some banging ass house tunes...
