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VirtualMark wrote:

wub wrote:

VirtualMark wrote:i don't consider silence a song.

Do you consider white a colour?

Of course. But i don't consider an empty canvas a painting, a blank piece of paper a story or a blank dvd a movie. Making a 'song' out of nothing turns it into exactly that - nothing.

wub wrote:

VirtualMark wrote:

wub wrote:

VirtualMark wrote:i don't consider silence a song.

Do you consider white a colour?

Of course. But i don't consider an empty canvas a painting, a blank piece of paper a story or a blank dvd a movie. Making a 'song' out of nothing turns it into exactly that - nothing.

But white is not a colour - it is the abscence of any colour. So by considering white a colour, you must also consider silence a song, such as it is the abscence of sound.

Hircine wrote:

wub wrote:

VirtualMark wrote:

wub wrote:

VirtualMark wrote:i don't consider silence a song.

Do you consider white a colour?

Of course. But i don't consider an empty canvas a painting, a blank piece of paper a story or a blank dvd a movie. Making a 'song' out of nothing turns it into exactly that - nothing.

But white is not a colour - it is the abscence of any colour. So by considering white a colour, you must also consider silence a song, such as it is the abscence of sound.

Actually, you are wrong Wub. White is the sum of the whole spectrum of light. Black is the absence of colour. A surface that reflects no light is black.

wub wrote:But white is not a colour - it is the abscence of any colour. So by considering white a colour, you must also consider silence a song, such as it is the abscence of sound.

VirtualMark wrote:

wub wrote:But white is not a colour - it is the abscence of any colour. So by considering white a colour, you must also consider silence a song, such as it is the abscence of sound.

White is both the absence of colour in subtractive mixing, and it's all colours at once with additive mixing. Anyhow, you're statement isn't true, considering white a colour would mean that i have to consider silence a sound, not a song. A better question would be do i consider a canvas painted white a painting? Not really, but at least there's actually paint there. With silence, there is nothing. More like a blank canvass.

Silence has zero amplitude and no frequency or timbre. Seeing as those are the main things that make up a sound, i wouldn't say you could class silence as one.

VirtualMark wrote:

wub wrote:Silence has zero amplitude and no frequency or timbre. Seeing as those are the main things that make up a sound, i wouldn't say you could class silence as one.

Hircine wrote:A song of silence is nothing more than a song at its primal and brute state.

VirtualMark wrote:

Hircine wrote:A song of silence is nothing more than a song at its primal and brute state.

mu·sic/ˈmyo͞ozik/
Noun:

1. The art or science of combining vocal or instrumental sounds (or both) to produce beauty of form, harmony, and expression of emotion.

Sorry to get the dictionary out, but that statement is silly.

Silence is just that - silence. No instruments, no vocals, nothing. Its certainly something, which is why we have a word for it. But it cannot be classed as a song or piece of music, anymore than the empty vacuum of space can be classed as a model t ford or a cup of tea.

Praya wrote:I'm tired of dance music, these days i just make silence, i'm sure you've all heard my songs, im getting pretty well known. I've got a night on next week in London you should all come down, a five hour set of nothing.

Hircine wrote:So you imply that silence isn't a piece of music, what with the silence between parts that builds up so well tension in some pieces of classic music? Isn't it as important to the song as a specific chord?

therapist wrote:

Praya wrote:I'm tired of dance music, these days i just make silence, i'm sure you've all heard my songs, im getting pretty well known. I've got a night on next week in London you should all come down, a five hour set of nothing.

That's some fat old silence in your signature there, by the way. Good work. I like my silence a bit quieter usually but it's a cool track.

wub wrote:

VirtualMark wrote:

wub wrote:

VirtualMark wrote:i don't consider silence a song.

Do you consider white a colour?

Of course. But i don't consider an empty canvas a painting, a blank piece of paper a story or a blank dvd a movie. Making a 'song' out of nothing turns it into exactly that - nothing.

But white is not a colour - it is the abscence of any colour. So by considering white a colour, you must also consider silence a song, such as it is the abscence of sound.

ketamine wrote:Well it generally happens because the person listening doesn't "get" what you're trying to do... For instance, in the dubstep/garage/crackle world, we "understand" static, hiss, drop outs, lowpassed muffled noises, keys jingling, etc... & when you make that kind of tune, people can still judge whether its good or bad at being "crackly"... but because they know what you're doing, they don't say it sucks just because its all sonically lo-fi...

This is the kind of music I make. It is what it is.

I hate when a person who hears you "make music" and then want to hear it, and then scrunch their face up because its all weird and they say it sucks--and you know, that within your genre, it does not suck. But they don't "get" what you were trying to do.

Worse is people who find your music randomly probably searching for something else, and then say disparaging comments about it, when its obvious they weren't even looking for that type of sound.

Mainly because music is so personal. We are all learning & growing, and so I don't care when somebody *within* my music tastes gives me critizism, but it hurts and irritates me to no end when some idiot who only listens to radio pop & never even heard of underground artists like Emika, Burial, James Blake, and god forbid, somebody like Mr Oizo...

And that's another subject... Suppose your song sounds exactly the way it does, ON PURPOSE?
How can artists like Squarepusher & Mr Oizo get away with basically random noises threwn together, but when a no-name does it, it "Sucks. You need to keep trying"...

No. Maybe the tune is random & glitchy & stupid on purpose you dip sh*t.

/Rant.

therapist wrote: That's some fat old silence in your signature there, by the way. Good work. I like my silence a bit quieter usually but it's a cool track.

VirtualMark wrote:
Awesome tune - how did you make the sound at 1:50?