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I didnt say you should I said the lows. Nvm lets end the convo, we all obviously have different opinions, as it should be ; thats what makes each person unique.

ehbrums1 wrote:

x ParaTroXic wrote:Obviously pitch still effects the sub bass, you know when the sub bass is gliding up or down etc, so therefore im saying by compressing the lows /getting the lows up in the mix, the sub frequencies will follows the midrange bass so, there im saying that the sub doesnt feel disjointed from the midrange bassline - i find it hard to explain my self, but i know its true.

but why would you compress a sub.....

Try it.

ehbrums1 wrote:

Project EX wrote:

ehbrums1 wrote:what I'm saying is that with a pure sine theres no point in modulating anything but the level, because of the lack of harmonics.

pitch

wouldn't that change the level being reproduced though? because different systems reproduce different freq's differently

No, it would just change the pitch, how systems reproduce sound doesn't have anything to do with this. Pitch bending a sine in F three semitones up will give you a G# for example, the amplitude of the wave will not change, only the amount of cycles per second will, which indicates the pitch.

GET A JELLY HAMMER

sorry

Project EX wrote:

ehbrums1 wrote:

Project EX wrote:

ehbrums1 wrote:what I'm saying is that with a pure sine theres no point in modulating anything but the level, because of the lack of harmonics.

pitch

wouldn't that change the level being reproduced though? because different systems reproduce different freq's differently

No, it would just change the pitch, how systems reproduce sound doesn't have anything to do with this. Pitch bending a sine in F three semitones up will give you a G# for example, the amplitude of the wave will not change, only the amount of cycles per second will, which indicates the pitch.

Thank you I think somone finally understands what Im trying to get a across

Project EX wrote:

ehbrums1 wrote:

Project EX wrote:

ehbrums1 wrote:what I'm saying is that with a pure sine theres no point in modulating anything but the level, because of the lack of harmonics.

pitch

wouldn't that change the level being reproduced though? because different systems reproduce different freq's differently

No, it would just change the pitch, how systems reproduce sound doesn't have anything to do with this. Pitch bending a sine in F three semitones up will give you a G# for example, the amplitude of the wave will not change, only the amount of cycles per second will, which indicates the pitch.

Yes. Holy cow. I use midi to trigger both my sub and mid bass together. Then, I use pitch plugins to get them in their proper places. pitch bend automation on the midi track effects both of them, and you just simply cap the ranges! cheers to ableton.

Nothing wrong with pitch bend in subs IMO...

Hey man, I'm a pretty big fan of cyberoptics, PM me and ill give you the presets or whatever. its not exact but its dang closee, so PM me dude!\m/

Edit!!: Nevermind it was 4 in the morning when I posted that and they are not as good as they sounded at first at all. So yeah none of you probably want them.

For the sake of all n00bs on this forum (pretty much just me) this thread is confusing.
Why wouldn't you pitchshift the sub? I think that'd give some pretty interesting sounds.. but then again I'm the n00b around here.

There is nothing wrong with pitch bending a sub mate.

ehbrums1 wrote:what the hell is a static sub....

White noise at 45hz.

Filthzilla wrote:

ehbrums1 wrote:what the hell is a static sub....

White noise at 45hz.

Thought it was one of these.

ehbrums1 wrote:again pitch bending your sub is pretty point less but beside that I'm not offended just trying to prevent bad production habits

Pitch bending your sub is absolutely NOT pointless. It's used in just about every deep dubstep song ever made. Also I do the same thing with my sub, if I'm using an LFO or an envelope to control a a lowpass on my midrange, I almost always use that same or a similar lfo or envelope on the amplitude of my sub. I don't USUALLY (sometimes i do) want my midrange controlled by an 8th note LFO while my sub just plays one long static note.

In regards to the original post, I wish I could be more help, but all the videos on getting that "datsik" or "excision" robotic sound are quite shit. I will say that I have had some really good results putting everyday organic samples (stuff as simple as rain or paper ripping) into a granular synth and messing with the parameters, and then frequency splitting.
Soundcloud

almost every sound in that song (except for the drums and one synth) were creating taking organic samples and loading them into the Fruity granulizer. I did have to use a ton of processing to clean them up and make them sound fatter, but they sounded pretty robotic after just a minute of messing with the granulizer.

ehbrums1 wrote:

x ParaTroXic wrote:Obviously pitch still effects the sub bass, you know when the sub bass is gliding up or down etc, so therefore im saying by compressing the lows /getting the lows up in the mix, the sub frequencies will follows the midrange bass so, there im saying that the sub doesnt feel disjointed from the midrange bassline - i find it hard to explain my self, but i know its true.

but why would you compress a sub.....

I compress my sub a lot if I ever use anything other than a straight sine for my sub. Sometimes I use a lowpassed reese for my sub so I may want to limit it to limit the movement down there. Here's an example:
Soundcloud
If I didn't compress the sub on that track it would have sounded just awful and way too dynamic. That being said, I find no real need to compress a straight sine sub. it's only if I have a sub with a bit of harmonics in it that I find the need to.

Pitch bending a sub = pointless would mean that 808 and the likes are pointless?...

cmgoodman1226 wrote:

ehbrums1 wrote:

x ParaTroXic wrote:Obviously pitch still effects the sub bass, you know when the sub bass is gliding up or down etc, so therefore im saying by compressing the lows /getting the lows up in the mix, the sub frequencies will follows the midrange bass so, there im saying that the sub doesnt feel disjointed from the midrange bassline - i find it hard to explain my self, but i know its true.

but why would you compress a sub.....

I compress my sub a lot if I ever use anything other than a straight sine for my sub. Sometimes I use a lowpassed reese for my sub so I may want to limit it to limit the movement down there. Here's an example:
Soundcloud
If I didn't compress the sub on that track it would have sounded just awful and way too dynamic. That being said, I find no real need to compress a straight sine sub. it's only if I have a sub with a bit of harmonics in it that I find the need to.

Yeah, compressing a sine wave too much would only give you a square wave, there's no need for that. A pure sine wave is the best