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VirtualMark wrote:Firstly NI Razor is nothing like Massive. Razor is an additive synth and sounds very different.

Secondly, fuck learning the synths in your DAW. That's bad advice imo as they're usually pretty crap. Choose a decent synth that's popular among pro's rather than a lame one nobody uses. There is a reason these synths are popular, no need to fly in the face of common sense.

Some have suggested Massive, i can't disagree. It has a wide range of modulation options and a very easy inteface, and is capable of a wide range of sounds. FM8 is also a very capable synth, but is probably a bit harder to learn as it's not as intuitive as Massive.

Anyhow, you have the right idea, choose one and learn it really well. Personally i love to use Massive, FM8, U-He Diva and Ace, NI Razor, Camel Alchemy. Best thing to do is try a few out and see which you'd like to put some time into learning.

Killamike49 wrote: Sytrus is beyond powerful.

VirtualMark wrote: Secondly, fuck learning the synths in your DAW. That's bad advice imo as they're usually pretty crap. Choose a decent synth that's popular among pro's rather than a lame one nobody uses.

Electric_Head wrote:If you want easy get synth1 and Tal noisemaker/elek7ro

free and good

They`ll help you to understand subtractive synthesis at the most basic to more advanced levels.
Simple synths will give you the knowledge you need to understand sound from a more fundamental level.
Everything else will be easier once you understand synthesis.

Killamike49 wrote:Oh wait.

VirtualMark wrote: Secondly, fuck learning the synths in your DAW. That's bad advice imo as they're usually pretty crap. Choose a decent synth that's popular among pro's rather than a lame one nobody uses.

Claiming that the synths that come with your daw are usually pretty crap, is really shitty advice man. Especially to someone who hasn't been producing long. If you can't make a good patch in your stock synth, what makes you think you can make one in some really expensive synth? Unless they have a specific feature that you're looking for it's not. Alot of synths produce the same waveforms, modulations, lfos, and envolopes. I'm not saying their the easiest to learn on, which is what op is talking about, but calling them shit is a bit ignorant.

deadly habit wrote:exactly you don't learn to drive with a benz, that and you need to learn how to work stick before going full speed or fancy
too much of a car analogy
learn basic subtractive synthesis in your in built daw synths once you have the CONCEPTS down and feel limited like i said, move to say a new synthesis style, processing, and if limited or you feel something else will suit your workflow then look, otherwise you'll just be wasting money

VirtualMark wrote:

Killamike49 wrote:Oh wait.

VirtualMark wrote: Secondly, fuck learning the synths in your DAW. That's bad advice imo as they're usually pretty crap. Choose a decent synth that's popular among pro's rather than a lame one nobody uses.

Claiming that the synths that come with your daw are usually pretty crap, is really shitty advice man. Especially to someone who hasn't been producing long. If you can't make a good patch in your stock synth, what makes you think you can make one in some really expensive synth? Unless they have a specific feature that you're looking for it's not. Alot of synths produce the same waveforms, modulations, lfos, and envolopes. I'm not saying their the easiest to learn on, which is what op is talking about, but calling them shit is a bit ignorant.

You see, that's a bit better than a smiley face and a line about sytrus. Now i see what point you were trying to make. Although you're pretty much wrong - as i say most daw synths are pretty rubbish imo. Not all of them, ableton's operator is ok, logics es2 looks nice. I think sytrus only comes with the top version of fl studio, and tbh the interface looks pretty horrible, not the sort of thing i'd like to try to learn.

Whereas a decent third party synth makes better sounds out of the box. There is a reason pro's use these synths - they're better. I'm not going to argue with you as to why, i'll let you do some reading and learn some more.

VirtualMark wrote:deadly - i'm not entirely sure what you're saying? venonat? is this a typo?

Sinestepper wrote:

VirtualMark wrote:deadly - i'm not entirely sure what you're saying? venonat? is this a typo?

Im a reason user and I learnt how to work thor first which is arguably the most complex reason synth. This meant I could then use all the other synths.