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Marcus Wulffings wrote:Strong beat, but it still needs to be shaped into final cut..... just carry on, you won't miss bomb next time eventually

I have to agree and say this is boring stuff from KM.

scattybeanhead wrote:

Rekah wrote:

cakeplz wrote:disappointing tunes from my favorite production duo

doesn't matter as i've got CHST 019 to keep me occupied

disappointing???

i see what he means. i was kinda expecting a bit more from the lads, nothing too amazing here imo

the amazing part of of these tracks is how minimal they are whilst still not sounding empty

joeki wrote:I have to agree and say this is boring stuff from KM.

Boring???? i dont get some people on this forum, i know everyones entitled to an opinion but these tunes would slay you on a rig

That's the standard these days? How hard tunes would "SLEIGH" people on the floor? Sorry, but after 10 years I've come to expect a little bit more. Especially from a reputed act like KM who produced one of the best albums ever that did a lot more than just SLEIGH people on the floor.

This track is lazy. Get to know.

joeki wrote:That's the standard these days? How hard tunes would "SLEIGH" people on the floor? Sorry, but after 10 years I've come to expect a little bit more. Especially from a reputed act like KM who produced one of the best albums ever that did a lot more than just SLEIGH people on the floor.

This track is lazy. Get to know.

I don't get why your saying that as if it's a bad thing, you actually want your tracks to be amazing on a rig and I know they made 1 of the best albums in 10 years but you can't make tune after tune that sounds the same, plus making that many tracks that are all the same would get boring hense why they've made something a little different.

Also the "sleigh" you keep mentioning is something that Santa rides

Also calling it lazy, how does it make them lazy?

scattybeanhead wrote:

Rekah wrote:

cakeplz wrote:disappointing tunes from my favorite production duo

doesn't matter as i've got CHST 019 to keep me occupied

disappointing???

i see what he means. i was kinda expecting a bit more from the lads, nothing too amazing here imo

Yeah I can also understand. Sounding just a little too generic for me :/

Rekah wrote:

joeki wrote:That's the standard these days? How hard tunes would "SLEIGH" people on the floor? Sorry, but after 10 years I've come to expect a little bit more. Especially from a reputed act like KM who produced one of the best albums ever that did a lot more than just SLEIGH people on the floor.

This track is lazy. Get to know.

I don't get why your saying that as if it's a bad thing, you actually want your tracks to be amazing on a rig and I know they made 1 of the best albums in 10 years but you can't make tune after tune that sounds the same, plus making that many tracks that are all the same would get boring hense why they've made something a little different.

Also the "sleigh" you keep mentioning is something that Santa rides

I don't think he's saying that it's a bad thing for it to slay you on a system, but he's saying it seems that has become the standard by which a tune is judged as being either good or bad. I also understand his frustration as well and I don't really think this tune is anything different from what they usually make. I kind of feel like this track is just like all the other tracks. Personally I like every single one of your works that I've heard better than these, Knowledge.

Boring? Generic? Lazy? What the hell is going on in here


I think these are quite different from other KM tunes/stuff that's out there at the moment, bit of a techno feel. Lovely.

Begone wrote:Boring? Generic? Lazy? What the hell is going on in here


I think these are quite different from other KM tunes/stuff that's out there at the moment, bit of a techno feel. Lovely.

This guys got it in one

I have noticed aswell that a fair few people that follow the "dungeon" vibes only care about the tracks with ridiculous mids running all the way through

I don't particularly see how this 140 bpm track is techno at all. They've just left some more stuff out, hence me calling it lazy. That doesn't make it a techno "inspired" tune. But then again, I actually listen to techno.

Also, about the sleigh thing: obvious pun was obvious, but apparently not. Also not pointed at you in particular: but recently a lot of these threads have been popping up (Kormestar recently for example) where utterly generic tunes were praised to the limits just because they had enormous sub bass (which nobody is refuting here). But isn't it about time a tune needs more than just sub bass? A tune can have all the sub in the world and still sound generic. Haven't we covered that ground enough? <= that's for everybody individually to decide. I'm just stating my opinion but am amazed at some of the disbelief it generates.

This kind of tune Cyrus made x years ago. They themselves have covered this style extensively. I was expecting more, especially being released off the back of that wonderful distal album.

joeki wrote:I don't particularly see how this 140 bpm track is techno at all. They've just left some more stuff out, hence me calling it lazy. That doesn't make it a techno "inspired" tune. But then again, I actually listen to techno.

Also, about the sleigh thing: obvious pun was obvious, but apparently not. Also not pointed at you in particular: but recently a lot of these threads have been popping up (Kormestar recently for example) where utterly generic tunes were praised to the limits just because they had enormous sub bass (which nobody is refuting here). But isn't it about time a tune needs more than just sub bass? A tune can have all the sub in the world and still sound generic. Haven't we covered that ground enough? <= that's for everybody individually to decide. I'm just stating my opinion but am amazed at some of the disbelief it generates.

This kind of tune Cyrus made x years ago. They themselves have covered this style extensively. I was expecting more, especially being released off the back of that wonderful distal album.

I said "bit of a techno feel", not that it's a techno track. I listen to techno too, and the soundscapes and the kick patterns remind me of the stuff Andy Stott among others makes, just at 140.
I'd call most of the utterly boring dungeon stuff "generic" before these two tunes. I still think they're doing something different with this release, not what I expected. I like these, it's ok if you don't.

joeki wrote:I don't particularly see how this 140 bpm track is techno at all. They've just left some more stuff out, hence me calling it lazy. That doesn't make it a techno "inspired" tune. But then again, I actually listen to techno.

Also, about the sleigh thing: obvious pun was obvious, but apparently not. Also not pointed at you in particular: but recently a lot of these threads have been popping up (Kormestar recently for example) where utterly generic tunes were praised to the limits just because they had enormous sub bass (which nobody is refuting here). But isn't it about time a tune needs more than just sub bass? A tune can have all the sub in the world and still sound generic. Haven't we covered that ground enough? <= that's for everybody individually to decide. I'm just stating my opinion but am amazed at some of the disbelief it generates.

This kind of tune Cyrus made x years ago. They themselves have covered this style extensively. I was expecting more, especially being released off the back of that wonderful distal album.

Fair enough

Good to see love for Andy Stott though. Arguably my favourite album of 2011. But I simply don't see the comparison in style and most certainly in quality (unless you refer to his 2009 album 'Merciless' which, in retrospect, does contain a few tracks similar to these KM materials). Then again he's not really a techno acto in my book. But I can understand where you're coming from now and how my remark there was kinda twattish.

you can think what you want of these tunes (personally there are a couple of KM dubs i'd prefer to be released), but saying that askum sounds like every other of their tunes is ridiculous...

I'm not sure how 'stripped back music' can be called lazy!? KM have always made great minimal music. I've heard both of these tracks out and they sound great!

I will be 100% bagging these!

Also if you get the right feel / emotion in a track with just a sub; whats wrong with that?

joeki wrote:I don't particularly see how this 140 bpm track is techno at all. They've just left some more stuff out, hence me calling it lazy. That doesn't make it a techno "inspired" tune. But then again, I actually listen to techno.

Also, about the sleigh thing: obvious pun was obvious, but apparently not. Also not pointed at you in particular: but recently a lot of these threads have been popping up (Kormestar recently for example) where utterly generic tunes were praised to the limits just because they had enormous sub bass (which nobody is refuting here). But isn't it about time a tune needs more than just sub bass? A tune can have all the sub in the world and still sound generic. Haven't we covered that ground enough? <= that's for everybody individually to decide. I'm just stating my opinion but am amazed at some of the disbelief it generates.

This kind of tune Cyrus made x years ago. They themselves have covered this style extensively. I was expecting more, especially being released off the back of that wonderful distal album.

After listening to your tracks on soundcloud; I am kind of shocked at how critical you are being about these tracks!

move along. Let the smart people talk here.

joeki wrote: move along. Let the smart people talk here.

you are coming across as a bit of a dick though

How's that? I think I made a fairly decent attempt at explaining why I didn't like the tunes and apologised for the one remark that was possibly out of line (IE "I actually listen to techno"). All the rest was briefly opinionated reason as to why I don't like this new release.

VS.

- Guy makes THE most standardised reply that's popping up everywhere on Gen. Discussion: "I've heard these tunes get played live, they are heavy and thus they are good and everyone should like them".

- Makes general remark about nothing being wrong about tracks with just sub. Was that ever a point of discussion ?

- Tries to engage in personal dirt-throwing war by offending some random years-old soundcloud tracks which I couldn't give two shits about (but you can purchase one of them I believe on iTunes)

I think most people will know me as a guy who's opinionated but does occasionally takes the piss. (statements like "Get to know" get thrown around here a million times each day). I just think everyone should be allowed to express opinions. Some do that more critical than others. But whenever there's an established artist at the point of discussion, people tend to get all sensitive and personal. How come this never happens in the House forum?

Fair enough I cba with an argument, only reason I thought id say something at the start was because you said the tracks are lazy when they are far from it and why wouldn't you want it to sound amazing on a rig isn't that what this kind of musics for?