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£10 Bag wrote:You can use theory to break music/emotion down and try to form a basis for a tune, but really, I don't think you can teach this kind of shit in an organic way.

You say
"I have making sounds and mastering the right way and putting things in the correct order, but I'm stuck on trying to get a certain mood or emotion into the song"
- it sounds to me like you're approaching music in a technical, utilitarian way. I also get drawn in to the technicals more than the songwriting at times, but really, once you've finished fannying about with plugins, you need to be able to lay down some raw funk/dark/comedy/headbanging shit, and that's not something you can put in to words IMO.

If you're really trying to say something genuine with your music, the notes will come naturally!
If you have a girlfriend, get her to dump you, then you'll write some emotional beats for sure. Or you could just sample some rain.

Yeah, I like being very technical with things so making the noises and shit was always really fun. Shit, I've been experimenting on and off for about 7 years now. I finally figured out a decent question to ask besides, "how I make sound? " I'm glad I've gotten the responses you guys gave, I was skeptical about asking on this forum because it's a dubstep forum. Dubstep in my opinion is kind of lacking a lot. I could explain the basics in about 5 steps(minus the technical stuff like sound design). But yes, I figured the biggest thing I need to do is experiment and learn on my own, I'm just happy to have the information the other fellas gave. Music theory is a really good place to start.
Can't wait to get crackin'.

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results of a breakup

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also a result of the same girl

hell a few others are as well
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£10 Bag wrote:You can use theory to break music/emotion down and try to form a basis for a tune, but really, I don't think you can teach this kind of shit in an organic way.

You say
"I have making sounds and mastering the right way and putting things in the correct order, but I'm stuck on trying to get a certain mood or emotion into the song"
- it sounds to me like you're approaching music in a technical, utilitarian way. I also get drawn in to the technicals more than the songwriting at times, but really, once you've finished fannying about with plugins, you need to be able to lay down some raw funk/dark/comedy/headbanging shit, and that's not something you can put in to words IMO.

If you're really trying to say something genuine with your music, the notes will come naturally!
If you have a girlfriend, get her to dump you, then you'll write some emotional beats for sure. Or you could just sample some rain.

I don't know, like, I really don't know. About what you said or any of this. I've just been farfing and fanoodling for way to long making beats, and learning technical sound processing shit that my song writing is like totally atrophied/underdeveloped. I totally recognize that, am trying to square up and address that now.

But I think really masterful song writers, and I'm not talking about like dusty old masters, but including them, I suppose, but just anyone that can make more than one good song in their life, I think most of those people have REALLY studied songs by other great masters.

How they did that studying I suppose varies. Some played in cover bands, others I'm sure, more formally studied, others just tried again and again to imitate in their daw. But I'm more certain than ever that all the artists I admire have A LOT of time invested in listening to music and really working at how that music works. Exactly how you digest that music, I think varies by the person, but I'm really thinking that digestion is happening in a big way.

Flippity wrote: Dubstep in my opinion is kind of lacking a lot. I could explain the basics in about 5 steps(minus the technical stuff like sound design).

Do it then.

Sonika wrote:

Flippity wrote: Dubstep in my opinion is kind of lacking a lot. I could explain the basics in about 5 steps(minus the technical stuff like sound design).

Do it then.

Step ONE: Make catchy intro
Step TWO: Build up tension
Step THREE: Pause/let sample play
Step FOUR: Smack bassline in with some variation and samples along with beats that punch or sooth the right way for your groove
Step FIVE: Transition to more intricate versions of step ONE thru FOUR
Step SIX: Bleed it all out into an outro

About 5 basic steps to dubstep, minus sound design

welcome to the classic formula of most dance and pop music
next thing you'll be revealing that some people structure their songs in 16 bar increments so it's easier for djs to play...

Flippity wrote:

Sonika wrote:

Flippity wrote: Dubstep in my opinion is kind of lacking a lot. I could explain the basics in about 5 steps(minus the technical stuff like sound design).

Do it then.

Step ONE: Make catchy intro
Step TWO: Build up tension
Step THREE: Pause/let sample play
Step FOUR: Smack bassline in with some variation and samples along with beats that punch or sooth the right way for your groove
Step FIVE: Transition to more intricate versions of step ONE thru FOUR
Step SIX: Bleed it all out into an outro

About 5 basic steps to dubstep, minus sound design

listen to some shackleton bro.

Give me any genre and i bet i can stereotype it in 6 steps too

hutyluty wrote:

Flippity wrote:

Sonika wrote:

Flippity wrote: Dubstep in my opinion is kind of lacking a lot. I could explain the basics in about 5 steps(minus the technical stuff like sound design).

Do it then.

Step ONE: Make catchy intro
Step TWO: Build up tension
Step THREE: Pause/let sample play
Step FOUR: Smack bassline in with some variation and samples along with beats that punch or sooth the right way for your groove
Step FIVE: Transition to more intricate versions of step ONE thru FOUR
Step SIX: Bleed it all out into an outro

About 5 basic steps to dubstep, minus sound design

listen to some shackleton bro.

Give me any genre and i bet i can stereotype it in 6 steps too

Agreed. Exceptions to any rule...

Flippity wrote:

Sonika wrote:

Flippity wrote: Dubstep in my opinion is kind of lacking a lot. I could explain the basics in about 5 steps(minus the technical stuff like sound design).

Do it then.

Step ONE: Make catchy intro
Step TWO: Build up tension
Step THREE: Pause/let sample play
Step FOUR: Smack bassline in with some variation and samples along with beats that punch or sooth the right way for your groove
Step FIVE: Transition to more intricate versions of step ONE thru FOUR
Step SIX: Bleed it all out into an outro

About 5 basic steps to dubstep, minus sound design

Definitely not true for a whole lot of dubstep

hutyluty wrote:

Flippity wrote:

Sonika wrote:

Flippity wrote: Dubstep in my opinion is kind of lacking a lot. I could explain the basics in about 5 steps(minus the technical stuff like sound design).

Do it then.

Step ONE: Make catchy intro
Step TWO: Build up tension
Step THREE: Pause/let sample play
Step FOUR: Smack bassline in with some variation and samples along with beats that punch or sooth the right way for your groove
Step FIVE: Transition to more intricate versions of step ONE thru FOUR
Step SIX: Bleed it all out into an outro

About 5 basic steps to dubstep, minus sound design

listen to some shackleton bro.

Give me any genre and i bet i can stereotype it in 6 steps too

Psybient

Sonika wrote:

Flippity wrote:

Sonika wrote:

Flippity wrote: Dubstep in my opinion is kind of lacking a lot. I could explain the basics in about 5 steps(minus the technical stuff like sound design).

Do it then.

Step ONE: Make catchy intro
Step TWO: Build up tension
Step THREE: Pause/let sample play
Step FOUR: Smack bassline in with some variation and samples along with beats that punch or sooth the right way for your groove
Step FIVE: Transition to more intricate versions of step ONE thru FOUR
Step SIX: Bleed it all out into an outro

About 5 basic steps to dubstep, minus sound design

Definitely not true for a whole lot of dubstep

Name a few for me.
I'm sorry if I came off as an ass, I just got tired of dubstep once I found something significantly better, psybient. Like shulman, ott, and shpongle. I want to get to their levels of music making. Trying to figure out how they make the shit they do is mind boggling, which is why my next venture is to teach myself how to be categorized in that genre of music.

Haha, funny. I think there is dubstep out there for you, just well beyond the surface of what you've heard. It is why some of the oldtimers around here are so grumpy, being totally overwhelmed by waves of voltron's fitful bad dreams.

damn transformers humping outside my window! GET OFF MY LAWN!

There is one now! GEEZER!

nowaysj wrote:totally overwhelmed by waves of voltron's fitful wet dreams.

Another emotion I'd like to "produce".

Flippity wrote:

hutyluty wrote:

Flippity wrote: Step ONE: Make catchy intro
Step TWO: Build up tension
Step THREE: Pause/let sample play
Step FOUR: Smack bassline in with some variation and samples along with beats that punch or sooth the right way for your groove
Step FIVE: Transition to more intricate versions of step ONE thru FOUR
Step SIX: Bleed it all out into an outro

About 5 basic steps to dubstep, minus sound design

listen to some shackleton bro.

Give me any genre and i bet i can stereotype it in 6 steps too

Psybient

from listening to the three artists you listed above

Step one: sweeping pad in the intro
Step two: drums come in, repetitive break usually
Step three: ethnic vocal comes in over the top- repeat to fade.
Step four: test it out in a lift/ indian restaurant- if it fits, success!

there you go, four steps

hutyluty wrote:

Flippity wrote:

hutyluty wrote:

Flippity wrote: Step ONE: Make catchy intro
Step TWO: Build up tension
Step THREE: Pause/let sample play
Step FOUR: Smack bassline in with some variation and samples along with beats that punch or sooth the right way for your groove
Step FIVE: Transition to more intricate versions of step ONE thru FOUR
Step SIX: Bleed it all out into an outro

About 5 basic steps to dubstep, minus sound design

listen to some shackleton bro.

Give me any genre and i bet i can stereotype it in 6 steps too

Psybient

from listening to the three artists you listed above

Step one: sweeping pad in the intro
Step two: drums come in, repetitive break usually
Step three: ethnic vocal comes in over the top- repeat to fade.
Step four: test it out in a lift/ indian restaurant- if it fits, success!

there you go, four steps

Clever, sir.

hahaha computer love is a classic record.

to create anything you just need to be there mang

if you aren't creating the emotion you want to

then you aren't feeling the emotions you want to in your life

if you're asking how you can be more fulfilled

i can't answer because it is different for everyone. do good deeds. works for me and the dalai lama.

see how i just broke it down all deep there


no but really... you just need to stop hearing the sounds and start feeling them. if they don't feel good to you, the notes need to be different. if you can't get the notes sounding 'right', you need to get more practice at playing an instrument or singing, possibly need to relax more, and be less scared to let all the horrible and wonderful things a human can feel out. ever tried getting into meditation?

narcissus wrote: no but really... you just need to stop hearing the sounds and start feeling them. if they don't feel good to you, the notes need to be different. if you can't get the notes sounding 'right', you need to get more practice at playing an instrument or singing, possibly need to relax more, and be less scared to let all the horrible and wonderful things a human can feel out. ever tried getting into meditation?

I like the way you're looking at this man. And yes, I am into meditation. I've been slacking lately which has been causing me to feel out of place from myself, so I've been trying to get back into it. I've been too serious lately.

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