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ultraspatial wrote:

+torment+ wrote:still 80's hardcore was more fun. 90's is when all the rules came in. i wouldn't let that difference cloud over some good music regardless. but i can see yer point too.

Can't really comment on that since I wasn't around. But yeah, agree on the rules thing, specially once the vegan/sxe/PC kids got more attention.
I like those bands that I mentioned because they are not about the politics, diy ethics etc. and it's just fun. And probably that's why they get hated on by the "real" hardcore scene.
I don't really get the whole 80s true hardcore revivalism, though I think it's more about the idea than the actual music. I mean, there's a lot of GREAT classics (Black Flag and Bad Brains being two of my favourite bands ever) but hardcore around then was really contextual (more than let's say dubstep in 2005).

dubstep ha. funny.

a good example of a band that does all the angles of post-hardcore NOW is.. Fucked Up. i think that's a perfect example of a band that exemplifies everything in concept & execution in this day & age. u can see where the connections are made in a band like Fucked Up, imo.

in the same way that ..say.. 90's stuff was judged pre - ATDI, and post -ATDI, or the Refused for that matter. i.e. bands that set a standard, & influence, whether good or bad.

late 80's was more Dischord Recs after Minor Threat et all, & Louisville Kentucky greats like Squirrel Bait, Chicago stuff like Big Black, who both pretty much set the tone for much of 90's US post-hardcore to now even. peeps still reference SLINT these days. Albini is still the dude. biznez as usual there.

ultraspatial wrote:

Nevalo wrote:

ultraspatial wrote: Can't really comment on that since I wasn't around. But yeah, agree on the rules thing, specially once the vegan/sxe/PC kids got more attention.

that was the part i was introduced to... & most of the kids involved with that side were stnuc too.

Definitely.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWredUk7-gc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vjt8Tcl9dVQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipF6rSY6flc

Straight edge is even considered a gang in some states due to stnuc stabbing people for smoking on the street.

yea we had guys like that.

they used to walk around the outside of shows before they start, telling people about being sXe, slapping drinks out of peoples hands, snappin cigarettes.

one tried to snap a cigarette that i was smoking.... tnuc got an elbow to eye before he even had a chance haha

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+torment+ wrote:

ultraspatial wrote:

+torment+ wrote:still 80's hardcore was more fun. 90's is when all the rules came in. i wouldn't let that difference cloud over some good music regardless. but i can see yer point too.

Can't really comment on that since I wasn't around. But yeah, agree on the rules thing, specially once the vegan/sxe/PC kids got more attention.
I like those bands that I mentioned because they are not about the politics, diy ethics etc. and it's just fun. And probably that's why they get hated on by the "real" hardcore scene.
I don't really get the whole 80s true hardcore revivalism, though I think it's more about the idea than the actual music. I mean, there's a lot of GREAT classics (Black Flag and Bad Brains being two of my favourite bands ever) but hardcore around then was really contextual (more than let's say dubstep in 2005).

dubstep ha. funny.

a good example of a band that does all the angles of post-hardcore NOW is.. Fucked Up. i think that's a perfect example of a band that exemplifies everything in concept & execution in all this day & age. u can see where the connections are made in a band like Fucked Up, imo.

in the same way that ..say.. 90's stuff was judged pre - ATDI, and post -ATDI, or the Refused for that matter. i.e. bands that set a standard, & influence, whether good or bad.

late 80's was more Dischord Recs after Minor Threat et all, & Louisville Kentucky greats like Squirrel Bait, Chicago stuff like Big Black, who both pretty much set the tone for much of 90's US post-hardcore to now even. peeps still reference SLINT these days. Albini is still the dude. biznez as usual.

The stuff going on today with all the Rise bands imo is Glassjaw and "The Shape of Punk to Come" era Refused influenced (using synths, catchy songs etc). + 2000s metalcore, since that's probably what most of these dudes grew up on.

Agree on Fucked Up, though I'm not a huge fan. Ceremony have the same thing going on with their last 2 albums (funny how they went from really short, fast, pissed off hardcore to making actual songs with a heavy post-punk/shoegaze vibe).

Btw, if any of you guys are interested, check this out http://www.stuffyouwillhate.com/
My favourite blog. Taking the piss at hardcore (music, people...) mosty, plus all sorts of random shit like trap, pop, graffiti etc.

ultraspatial wrote:

+torment+ wrote:

ultraspatial wrote:

+torment+ wrote:still 80's hardcore was more fun. 90's is when all the rules came in. i wouldn't let that difference cloud over some good music regardless. but i can see yer point too.

Can't really comment on that since I wasn't around. But yeah, agree on the rules thing, specially once the vegan/sxe/PC kids got more attention.
I like those bands that I mentioned because they are not about the politics, diy ethics etc. and it's just fun. And probably that's why they get hated on by the "real" hardcore scene.
I don't really get the whole 80s true hardcore revivalism, though I think it's more about the idea than the actual music. I mean, there's a lot of GREAT classics (Black Flag and Bad Brains being two of my favourite bands ever) but hardcore around then was really contextual (more than let's say dubstep in 2005).

dubstep ha. funny.

a good example of a band that does all the angles of post-hardcore NOW is.. Fucked Up. i think that's a perfect example of a band that exemplifies everything in concept & execution in all this day & age. u can see where the connections are made in a band like Fucked Up, imo.

in the same way that ..say.. 90's stuff was judged pre - ATDI, and post -ATDI, or the Refused for that matter. i.e. bands that set a standard, & influence, whether good or bad.

late 80's was more Dischord Recs after Minor Threat et all, & Louisville Kentucky greats like Squirrel Bait, Chicago stuff like Big Black, who both pretty much set the tone for much of 90's US post-hardcore to now even. peeps still reference SLINT these days. Albini is still the dude. biznez as usual.

The stuff going on today with all the Rise bands imo is Glassjaw and "The Shape of Punk to Come" era Refused influenced (using synths, catchy songs etc). + 2000s metalcore, since that's probably what most of these dudes grew up on.

Agree on Fucked Up, though I'm not a huge fan. Ceremony have the same thing going on with their last 2 albums (funny how they went from really short, fast, pissed off hardcore to making actual songs with a heavy post-punk/shoegaze vibe).

^ i agree too. noticed that about Ceremony too. heh.

LOVED Glassjaw back in the day. good example or the 90's definition & inclination for sure.

we don't have to discuss the utter crap that is / was International Noise Conspiracy. i'd rather talk about the brilliance of Nation of Ulysses, & the Make-Up et all. thanx ha.


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if anybody on the forum made it or is planning on checking out any of the recent CODEINE reunion gigs, yer fuckin blessed.

last leg of the Codeine Summer 2012 dates, a couple left to go:

June 29 - Brooklyn, NY @ The Bell House
June 30 - Brighton, MA @ Brighton Music Hall
July 1 - Chicago, IL @ Lincoln Hall
July 9 - Seattle, WA @ Triple Door
July 10 - Seattle, WA @ Triple Door
July 11 - Portland, OR @ Doug Fir Lounge
July 12 - San Francisco, CA - Great American Music Hall
July 13 - Los Angeles, CA @ Echoplex
July 15 - New York, NY @ Le Poisson Rouge

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+torment+ wrote:

ultraspatial wrote:

+torment+ wrote:

ultraspatial wrote:

+torment+ wrote:still 80's hardcore was more fun. 90's is when all the rules came in. i wouldn't let that difference cloud over some good music regardless. but i can see yer point too.

Can't really comment on that since I wasn't around. But yeah, agree on the rules thing, specially once the vegan/sxe/PC kids got more attention.
I like those bands that I mentioned because they are not about the politics, diy ethics etc. and it's just fun. And probably that's why they get hated on by the "real" hardcore scene.
I don't really get the whole 80s true hardcore revivalism, though I think it's more about the idea than the actual music. I mean, there's a lot of GREAT classics (Black Flag and Bad Brains being two of my favourite bands ever) but hardcore around then was really contextual (more than let's say dubstep in 2005).

dubstep ha. funny.

a good example of a band that does all the angles of post-hardcore NOW is.. Fucked Up. i think that's a perfect example of a band that exemplifies everything in concept & execution in all this day & age. u can see where the connections are made in a band like Fucked Up, imo.

in the same way that ..say.. 90's stuff was judged pre - ATDI, and post -ATDI, or the Refused for that matter. i.e. bands that set a standard, & influence, whether good or bad.

late 80's was more Dischord Recs after Minor Threat et all, & Louisville Kentucky greats like Squirrel Bait, Chicago stuff like Big Black, who both pretty much set the tone for much of 90's US post-hardcore to now even. peeps still reference SLINT these days. Albini is still the dude. biznez as usual.

The stuff going on today with all the Rise bands imo is Glassjaw and "The Shape of Punk to Come" era Refused influenced (using synths, catchy songs etc). + 2000s metalcore, since that's probably what most of these dudes grew up on.

Agree on Fucked Up, though I'm not a huge fan. Ceremony have the same thing going on with their last 2 albums (funny how they went from really short, fast, pissed off hardcore to making actual songs with a heavy post-punk/shoegaze vibe).

^ i agree too. noticed that about Ceremony too. heh.

LOVED Glassjaw back in the day. good example or the 90's definition & inclination for sure.

we don't have to discuss the utter crap that is / was International Noise Conspiracy. i'd rather talk about the brilliance of Nation of Ulysses, & the Make-Up et all. thanx ha.

yesss NOU were brilliant. Their situationist style zine, Ulysses Speaks, was great too.

in all seriousness, Shudder To Think - "Red House" has been in my head all this past weekend. no joke.

original version put out on Dischord Records circa 1991 on the Shudder To Think - Funeral At The Movies lp. still a great song.


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Never listened to them. Gonna give them a listen. Though tbh I never got that much into the Dischord stuff I've heard, except NOU, ROS, Dag Nasty and Embrace (not even "real" hardcore band like Minor Threat or Government Issue).
It's all about Glassjaw, ATDI and what came after them for me.

Also, I gotta mention The Murder City Devils (they even did a split with ATDI)

^^ MCD .. funny.

i was livin in the NW, Vancouver, B.C when Murder City were in their glory days. good times the Dead Wish kids? pre-Murder City, most notable for of course.

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Never heard of them before. My 14 y.o. self would have loved them. Now not so much

This is more the kind of stuff I had in mind when I made this thread:

+torment+ wrote:in all seriousness, Shudder To Think - "Red House" has been in my head all this past weekend. no joke.

original version put out on Dischord Records circa 1991 on the Shudder To Think - Funeral At The Movies lp. still a great song.


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^^ first 2 Shudder To Think lp's on Dischord are my faves. extremely adventurous (& just fuckin plain weird) for post-hardcore @ the time, even for Dischord. the band did continue into their major label days. ** Jawbox & Shudder To Think were the first Dischord bands that made the jump to the major labels in the early 90's. and such is history.

very much relevent to this thread in more than a few ways.

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^^ i dont know about y'all, but i think Tim Kinsella listened to his fair share of Shudder To Think records, no?

Fucked Up is not post hardcore. They're about as close to simply punk as I can identify in the past 10 years

where do The Casualties come into this? only band i like from around that era, in that scene

pkay wrote:Fucked Up is not post hardcore. They're about as close to simply punk as I can identify in the past 10 years

^^ u wanna argue punk?

kidding


Fucked Up, post-hardcore in theory. if they were around in the late 80's & early 90's.. they very much would be of the ilk. that's a good thing.

Nevalo wrote:where do The Casualties come into this? only band i like from around that era, in that scene

^ nobody listens to The Casualities here.


void.

+torment+ wrote:

Nevalo wrote:where do The Casualties come into this? only band i like from around that era, in that scene

^ nobody listens to The Casualities here.


void.

The Casualties are just your average entry level street punk band. Actually I view street punk in general as pretty entry level.
And afaik they formed in the 90s.

ultraspatial wrote:

+torment+ wrote:

Nevalo wrote:where do The Casualties come into this? only band i like from around that era, in that scene

^ nobody listens to The Casualities here.


void.

The Casualties are just your average entry level street punk band. Actually I view street punk in general as pretty entry level.
And afaik they formed in the 90s.

i though we were talking about that early 90s sound now though? haha

tbh, i prefer the casualties over most 'dubstep' these days

ultraspatial wrote:
This is more the kind of stuff I had in mind when I made this thread:

^^ that's more post- Alexisonfire than anything.

i like some of it tho.

u ever listen to 400 Years? 90's chaotic emo, asides from Alexisonfire, 400 years is the first thing i thought about when i listened to what u posted there. interesting.


400 Years is a good reference point too, given the topic.

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Nevalo wrote:

ultraspatial wrote:

+torment+ wrote:

Nevalo wrote:where do The Casualties come into this? only band i like from around that era, in that scene

^ nobody listens to The Casualities here.


void.

The Casualties are just your average entry level street punk band. Actually I view street punk in general as pretty entry level.
And afaik they formed in the 90s.

i though we were talking about that early 90s sound now though? haha

tbh, i prefer the casualties over most 'dubstep' these days

Yeah, we were talking about some 90s stuff, but The Casualties have nothing to do with this reall. It was more this stuff http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dischord_Records
Early Dischord was hardcore (Teen Idles, Minor Threat, Void, Government Issue etc). Then it went on to pioneering post-hc/emo bands (Rites Of Spring, Embrace, Fugazi etc).