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before i listened to amerikkka's most wanted i didnt even know how hard it was to live in south central la

now i know

bassbum wrote:

twilitez wrote:While you make some good points, you mention lyrics a couple of times. Most the music discussed on this board doesnt have any of those so how does that change things?

Sorry to be a prick but the title of this thread is not thoughts on music the few people on this forum listen to.

This thread was just about some ideas that where running round in my head. The main idea being, what impact dose listening to the same music over and over have on the way think and our mood?

Your not a prick by any means mate, just asked what the scope of the thread was and you answered properly.

I think the kind of garbage lots of kids are listening to is literally a form of brainwashing, and lyrics do tend to be much more effective in this then purely electronic tracks hence my mentioning it. The quality and content of these lyrics generally speaking has been so dumbed down in the last 20 years its hard not to conclude it has the same effect on its listeners. What the point of it is? Thats up for debate, but its all empty, void of emotion and rudderless (how do they paddle the river of crap?)

bassbum wrote:What bugs me is that we are programing our kids with the pop music they listen to.

I hate that kids brains are developing in a way that says SWAG and good looks are the most important things in life. I dont even want to think what listening to Grime music dose to kids. This whole gangster mentality is stupid. Hiphop is just as bad. Look at Giggs, all of his songs are .glorifying selling drugs and not just weed but crack and heroin. There where 6 or 7 people in my school year the ended up selling hard drugs like crack and heroin and they are all in jail, someone should rap about that.

The thing that pisses me off the most about those types of music is the way people end up speaking after they listen to it. That gangster slang and accent. Ok its one thing to use a bit of slang with your mates, I do sometimes but you need to be able to talk properly as well and that includes the accent. I know people that speak like that so much, when they are in a formal environment they try and talk normally but cant. If you talk like that in a job interview your not getting the job unless its for a building site or some shit clothes store. In fact in my town I dont even think the people who work on the tills in Mcdonalds speak like that. I sat in on a bunch of interviews at my last job and a few people came in talking like that, there interviews lasted 10minits and other peoples lasted 30-40 minits. Also if I bring someone important home to meet my family I dont want them to here my kids speaking like that.

this whole post sounds like the ignorance Bill O'Reily spews

bassbum i'm with you, but you need to get educated about hip-hop before you bad mouth all of it. there is someone who raps about the drug dealers in jail. there is someone who raps about dead kids in the ghetto. there is tons of hip-hop with good messages if you give it a chance. and plenty of times they'll be talking in third person so you won't even know unless you actually listen.

dude killed himself after releasing this.
kinda sad really. since i read about it the song has a completely different impact on me, which i'm not sure is a good thing.
still, it's beautiful so i'll keep listening.

oh and your comment on rap music is really ignorant, theres so much rap music out there that is not about anything gangsta-related, and more importantly a lot of the time the whole thing is just a way of conveying a certain picture/mood, like a movie.
you wouldnt ban movies like the terminator or claim that they make people shoot each other would you?
a lot of rap music is like a movie. the rap music made by people who actually sell/sold drugs deals with it on multiple levels, many of them not really glorifying it.

bassbum wrote:What bugs me is that we are programing our kids with the pop music they listen to.

I hate that kids brains are developing in a way that says SWAG and good looks are the most important things in life. I dont even want to think what listening to Grime music dose to kids. This whole gangster mentality is stupid. Hiphop is just as bad. Look at Giggs, all of his songs are .glorifying selling drugs and not just weed but crack and heroin. There where 6 or 7 people in my school year the ended up selling hard drugs like crack and heroin and they are all in jail, someone should rap about that.

Firstly, Grime (like all music) is a product of it's environment, not the other way round. When 2-Step/Garage became solely about chipmunk vocals and cheap champagne, people needed dark electronic music so grime and dubstep were born. If a person's way of life isn't being catered for in a genre, then chances are those people will create that genre as a way of expressing themselves.

Also I really don't see the problem with a rapper/singer glorifying drugs,sex or violence. it's music, musicians should express themselves about whatever they want even if it offends people. I'd rather hear Big H spit bar after bar about selling white and killing his enemies than listen to some dick talk about the new dance they just came up with.

why ignore the problems? real life is the biggest influence for art of any medium. so if all these things are going on, why wouldn't we talk about them? exploit them, get something positive out of it.

The thing that pisses me off the most about those types of music is the way people end up speaking after they listen to it. That gangster slang and accent. Ok its one thing to use a bit of slang with your mates, I do sometimes but you need to be able to talk properly as well and that includes the accent. I know people that speak like that so much, when they are in a formal environment they try and talk normally but cant. If you talk like that in a job interview your not getting the job unless its for a building site or some shit clothes store. In fact in my town I dont even think the people who work on the tills in Mcdonalds speak like that. I sat in on a bunch of interviews at my last job and a few people came in talking like that, there interviews lasted 10minits and other peoples lasted 30-40 minits. Also if I bring someone important home to meet my family I dont want them to here my kids speaking like that.

people don't end up talking like that because they listen to Hip-Hop. Hip-Hop is huge. seriously, it's massive and it's literally everywhere in hundreds of forms. you'd have a hard time finding someone who doesn't listen to hip-hop at all. so why don't we all talk like that?

people talk like that because that's how their friends talk, in some cases it's how their parents talk.

when someone is unimpressed/uneducated about their own culture they adopt others, we all do it. maybe not in such a bait way as changing your accent but we mainly do it through music.


yeah i don't see what this has to do with production, i just had to say something.