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no mate you're being facetious, in this instance the 808 kick is the middle man

but whateva, just my opinion

fair enough.

@ Janner

I often use 808 kicks for my low end i compress them and LP them to get a punchy bass with a little bit of pitch bend and layering it under a high passed kick can make it even punchier


is completely different to a sine wave not only in terms of the envelope shape which obviously you could recreate but also in terms of the pitch changing

Also i don't know whether it's just me but there's something nicer about a clean 808 Kick sampled through an analog desk compared to a sine wave generated by a VSTi.

But obviously i still use sine/lp Square waves for sub as well - different horses for different courses

fat keyboard, fat bass.

I'm with Janner, but the whole analogue thing rings true. Just find it easier to use pure sines with squares etc...

Another tip for added punch - layer a quiet kick with the low end taken out and most of the top end too on top of the beggining of each note of yer bassline and it will give the false impression of a punchy sub. It's an age old trick but tres effective...

Loads of different ways of doing subs I guess. Each to their own....

why use an 808 when u can get much richer and interesting subs from soft synths.

Janner wrote:all this stuff about turning an 808 kick into a bassline sounds a bit contrived to me... not that i'm saying it can't be done, but are we saying that skream actually does this? i'm guessing no way!

the classic 808 kick is one of the most used sounds for a bass/sub in (bass-heavy) electronic music. It's a benchmark against which to measure other subs. Soooo many producers have used it over the years, trust.

FullyRecordingz wrote:

Janner wrote:all this stuff about turning an 808 kick into a bassline sounds a bit contrived to me..

well what isn't planned out in music production? and seeing as an 808 kick is basically a modified sine wave i don't see why it wouldn't work.

actually an 808 bd is just a tuned down tom hit.

Anyone here wants to share a couple of 808 kick samples?

everyone seems to be doin 808 drum style way!

why not do it the proper way!

ok i've been giving this a go and hafta admit i've been getting surprisingly good results... don't know whether to or

only problem i've had is that i have to tune the resulting sub, which is never straight-forward with bass...

no argument from me, yes some tracks are heavy on the 808, but no skream tracks came to my mind (loefah definitely) hence my initial comment

i s'pose everyone has their own methods... and for the most part i'll be sticking to my trusty sine... but i've picked up a new trick along the way which is always a bonus

Janner do you have Kontakt? use the tone and tune your 808 to it then save the patch or find the main frequency of the 808 in a analyser then use a frequency chart to find the note.

We all like new tricks so it should be a

Janner wrote:
no argument from me, yes some tracks are heavy on the 808, but no skream tracks came to my mind (loefah definitely) hence my initial comment

Have a listen to "I" by skream

I've always wondered what Loefah is doing with his sub! It makes sense

So how best to do it? Hard compressed so that the hits kind of meld into each other? Then low-passed? Any other tips?

forensix (mcr) wrote:Janner do you have Kontakt? use the tone and tune your 808 to it then save the patch or find the main frequency of the 808 in a analyser then use a frequency chart to find the note.

We all like new tricks so it should be a

What could i use to find the note man, any suggestions? In the very same kontakt application?

Thats some serious business there. Excuse my noobey-ness.

miketm wrote:
What could i use to find the note man, any suggestions? In the very same kontakt application?

Thats some serious business there. Excuse my noobey-ness.

There is a tone generator in the top right hand corner set it to say C1 and turn it on then move the root note of you 808 sample until they are the same pitch

either that or use an analyser to find the root frequency of the sample and then match it up on a chart like this
http://www.har-bal.com/images/frequency_chart_lg.gif
or this
http://www.zimmers.net/anonftp/pub/cbm/ ... y/p061.jpg

Damn dude, thanks for taking the time to answer these newbie questions.

You rule!