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I know there is no such thing as a stupid question - but...

damn - dubstep is at a huge point right now and massive bits are coming out on vinyl every month and selling out - shit doesnt really look like its going to slow down anytime soon either... why shit on this parade by asking if vinyl is going to crap out? vinyl plates are the cornerstone of this shit!!!! the digital release is totally wack - you can't wheel up an ipod can you???.. any motherfucker can upload an mp3 to some site trying to pawn off a track for .99 cents - it actually takes some gumption and effort to get a plate pressed and distributed... real man type business... I would definitly frown on any producer that eschewed releasing their shit on wax.. it just seems like the people that don't have record players are the ones who think the digital release is a good thing... see this man's comments on the devalueing of art when it is based on an infinitely replicable digital info-bit format, the thread is like "are producers giving out 320's making their tracks lose value?" or something... same thing applies to vinyl... the track is actually worth something in the vinyl format because its material essence isn't unstable like digital format - vinyl won't ever go away... its actually the answer to all the woes that have been going through the music industry since they started flip-floping release formats with cd's then mini discs then mp3s then dvds and so on and so forth... digital mediums fluidity is its asset but also its downfall -

vinyl is real man type business... digital release is some poindexter type shit

you've misunderstood the spirit the question was asked in. you seem to equate askin how long vinyls got left with askin how long the scenes got left. it was an honest question and not an attempt to shit on dubstep's parade as you put it. no ones sayin vinyl will disappear in the next year or even five years but...

whether you like it or not digitals here to stay and the preferred medium of many and no doubt a considerable number of the users of this forum. i dont think its fair to criticize people for not having a record player.

one of the reasons that made me ask this question is that it seems to me digital is an important part of the dubstep scene. how many "dubs" reach djs as cdrs these days. not everyone can afford to get stuff cut. what should they do, never let their tunes leave the hard drive?

i totally agree Socool you cant replicate the warmth and depth you get with vinyl in any other format - at least none i know of.

tbh i didnt realise someone had already started a thread on the subject a while back, should have got me wee magnifyin glass out.

I choose CDs over vinyl for reasons of A) expense, B) storage space & C) sheer habit.

But I see much of the vinyl revival oweing to the perceived problems of digital:

• 1. An iPod full of tunes won't resell for any more than a new iPod. Your files are effectively worthless.
  2. People like to buy collectors items, something authentic (even if that means a 7" you can't play).
  3. A lot of hot air is talked about digital fidelity, but the difference is there. Analogue offers quality output.

I honestly dont think anythings as exciting as waiting on a batch of records to come through the post!

And when they do

Dont care if its unjustified, people can argue against it as much as they like, but the fact is I love buying vinyl, so I'll keep on doing so! I have been known to hug my copy of Atmosfear - Extract.

perhaps global warming will cause a move away from vinyl. Sun and heat are not good for your records.
Is vinyl more popular in cold countries than hot ones?

Back in 1993 we used to have this same discussion, bottomline is that despite of all the speculations and tings its nothing we can foresee.

I like alot of you here were xenophobic against technology, I swore that I would never buy 1 single CD. Now im pro-mp3 and tings.

Btw, we predicted the end of vinyl in the year 2000

it's gonna last longer than cd or mp3s. thats for sure.

it last for a good few years yet!

its a better notion to release music on to vinyl then digital formats, as you never get a good copy from vinyl ever! as you have to record it rather then copy it.


but any ways it would feel like a right cheek if i turned up to a club with a couple of cdrs filled with mp3s, sayin im a dj. if i saw some one who done that i think he is a right nob

its cheating if ya djing just off cdjs,

whats happened to skill?

flipw wrote:perhaps global warming will cause a move away from vinyl. Sun and heat are not good for your records.
Is vinyl more popular in cold countries than hot ones?

maybe, maybe not, but theres another more pressing environmental issue...

http://archive.greenpeace.org/majordomo ... 00100.html

with the growing environmental agenda in government at both UK and European level theres a possibility of regulation to make vinyl production (at the least) much more expensive...

elgato wrote:

flipw wrote:perhaps global warming will cause a move away from vinyl. Sun and heat are not good for your records.
Is vinyl more popular in cold countries than hot ones?

maybe, maybe not, but theres another more pressing environmental issue...

http://archive.greenpeace.org/majordomo ... 00100.html

with the growing environmental agenda in government at both UK and European level theres a possibility of regulation to make vinyl production (at the least) much more expensive...

yeh thats what i was gonna say... when oil starts really running out the production of vinyl records is gonna be very expensive/not a priority...

edits: oops daint read ur post properly, u were talking bout the actual environment lol

[quote="THA ILLSTA"]As Far as I know....


When the spares run out for lathe cutting heads, and all the lathes are broken, that spells the end of vinyl, as they no longer make 'em (so I'm told)

[quote]

I heard the same shit too... but I also heard that something will be made to replace that shit by the time its gone...only time will tell I guess.

cure wrote: I heard the same shit too... but I also heard that something will be made to replace that shit by the time its gone...only time will tell I guess.

let's hope so, otherwise, start buying lottery tickets.....could be our only hope

MEANWHILE let's all join some anti-serrato-league

(not that there's anything wrong with that wonderful machine)

tha digital format is killing music.. and sounds doo-doo on a rig.

man-versus-sofa wrote:its cheating if ya djing just off cdjs,

whats happened to skill?

Uhh, you do realise you have to mix cd's don't you? Unless they have a bpm thing (not that i would ever trust one anyway, or they are pre-pitched its exactly the same except a different medium. I actually find mixing cd's harder than mixing with vinyl.

I love vinyl, but i have to mix cd's aswell cos not everyone can afford to get their fave unreleased stuff cut to dub.

How long has vinyl got left

10,000 years?

THA ILLSTA wrote:

cure wrote: I heard the same shit too... but I also heard that something will be made to replace that shit by the time its gone...only time will tell I guess.

let's hope so, otherwise, start buying lottery tickets.....could be our only hope

MEANWHILE let's all join some anti-serrato-league

(not that there's anything wrong with that wonderful machine)

tha digital format is killing music.. and sounds doo-doo on a rig.

nah..

vinyl exclusivity is stupid, the digital format is keeping music alive!

the sound difference is questionable, very few people could tell the difference between a Wav and a vinyl

delsa wrote:

How long has vinyl got left

10,000 years?

you mean until the apes take over

Bob Crunkhouse wrote:
nah..

vinyl exclusivity is stupid, the digital format is keeping music alive!

the sound difference is questionable, very few people could tell the difference between a Wav and a vinyl

I never said vinyl exclusivity, CD's are fine in your yard/car e.t.c. even I have a CD player

mp3's are great for ipods/ promo's and sending rough mixes over the net

keeping music alive? didn't realise it was dying, just getting less profitable. As soon as you release digital recordings, everyone gets it for free, hence, less money, less people bothered to take the time to make it right. You can't download a vinyl....

Great records generally cost money to make, that's why.

all music ain't made on laptops is it now?

sound difference questionable? well, we'll have to beg to differ on that, I'm not alone on this one try asking the top 5 d-step DJ's what they think. And you'd be surprised there's more than a few people that CAN tell the difference.

And people recording their stuff in the box and straight to CD miss out the vital mastering stage, and those guys know what they're doing, plus the music enters the analogue domain taking on richness, vitality e.t.c.

I admit the digital formats have their uses, but in the long run.. well you'll see. don't say I never told ya!

no offence taken, just making my point like you are

peace

well, considering that i will be paying a pretty penny to master mp3 releases through transition (once i get things sorted for my digital label), and plenty of people doing digital releases have their shit mastered, i would say "pfffft" to all that wuffle.

i love vinyl, but i am sick of people talking smack. at the end of the day, as long as the music is heard, and the artists are paid, and the people have fun...i'm happy.

and frankly, there are more important things to worry about on this planet than whether someone is using CDJs or vinyl or serato or ableton.

My guess is vinyl will be around for a very long time. When oil production ceases, in the next 20, 30 or so years an alternative material will be used. This maybe slightly inferior to what is currently used but the simple fact is people like records, theres an appeal to them that digital versions cant replicate. If it wasnt for the difference in sound quality, the physical interaction, the artwork and collectability of vinyl, the format would have died out by now.

Mp3s or vinyl? Each to their own init.

THA ILLSTA wrote:

Bob Crunkhouse wrote:
nah..

vinyl exclusivity is stupid, the digital format is keeping music alive!

the sound difference is questionable, very few people could tell the difference between a Wav and a vinyl

I never said vinyl exclusivity, CD's are fine in your yard/car e.t.c. even I have a CD player

mp3's are great for ipods/ promo's and sending rough mixes over the net

keeping music alive? didn't realise it was dying, just getting less profitable. As soon as you release digital recordings, everyone gets it for free, hence, less money, less people bothered to take the time to make it right. You can't download a vinyl....

Great records generally cost money to make, that's why.

all music ain't made on laptops is it now?

sound difference questionable? well, we'll have to beg to differ on that, I'm not alone on this one try asking the top 5 d-step DJ's what they think. And you'd be surprised there's more than a few people that CAN tell the difference.

And people recording their stuff in the box and straight to CD miss out the vital mastering stage, and those guys know what they're doing, plus the music enters the analogue domain taking on richness, vitality e.t.c.

I admit the digital formats have their uses, but in the long run.. well you'll see. don't say I never told ya!

no offence taken, just making my point like you are

peace

cool, some good points...

Sorry that wasn't what you were talking about really, i just get annoyed when people slag off mp3's and non-vinyl formats, i do feel this scene is defiantly being held back by labels either being to lazy to or refusing to sell mp3's. and i just feel left out

THA ILLSTA wrote:keeping music alive? didn't realise it was dying, just getting less profitable. As soon as you release digital recordings, everyone gets it for free, hence, less money, less people bothered to take the time to make it right. You can't download a vinyl....

Great records generally cost money to make, that's why.

tell me about it, I'm setting up a label at the moment (first release coming from badman Ital Tek soon ). your right though its good that these things take time and money because the quality is defiantely of a higher standard

A lot of legal digital releases end up on p2p sites etc but vinyl rips are just as common, i checked probably the most famous music torrent site yestaday and they had every big relelase of the last 2 weeks (which theres been a lot of!) up for 320 or vbr download......people have to remember that most people (who aren't dj's) aren't gonna be happy buying records, especially seeing as theres an easier illegal route to go down.....Ive said it before but if labels don't offer a digital format i don't blame people for downloading stuff.

As you put it we'll to agree to disagree on the sound quality issue, I'd go as far to say that 99% of people on this board couldn't tell the difference between a 320, a wav and a Vinyl.

I do agree overall though that vinyls days aren't numbered, i just see a healthy digital format market up there with it.

peace

Sean