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yeah but the "lite" version still isn't very good.rayman612 wrote:they should just do like ableton and make the "lite" version free
Basic A wrote:use reaper.
excellent point. one of the main issues revolving around audio software piracy is that "professional products" (which therefore have "professional prices") are being consumed (legally and illegally) by amateurs. it's quite difficult for a lot of people to justify paying a couple of hundred euros on a product which is essentially a hobby item, especially if that item can be gotten quite easily for free.Kilo Graham wrote:No, I'm saying this audio software is relatively new, with most of the stuff being less than 15 years old. There will need to be some adjustments made somewhere. The problem is reconciling the fact that the majority of people who want a DAW, or a synth, or whatever, won't be making money on it. They won't be thinking "well on my next album I'll make all this back and more!" and aren't forced into buying it. We just really want some software. We're not going to be buying the new version of the DAW every 18 months for a few hundred dollars because we can't really afford it. People like Reaper are tapping the market (50 bucks is a good price for software, about the same as a new video game)..
unfortunately piracy is the one thing that WILL mean over zealous copy protection gets rolled out across all software products in the future.VirtualMark wrote:I've always been an advocate of piracy, as i think it doesn't hurt half as much as people would have you think. But one thing i'll never support is over zealous copy protection.
I lost my Logic Pro box with the serial a while back, my MacBook Pro broke recently so I had to get a new one, I managed to get it over from my old hard drive but it needed the serial. All I had to do was ring up Apple and email over some proof of purchase (so lucky Amazon remembers orders for years) and they replaced it. No harm trying to do the same with Cubase!drake89 wrote:I have to use a pirated version now (go TeAm AiR) cause I lost my disk. I might be able to call them cause I think I still have the box, and obviously I have an account, but I lost the card with the serial so fack
I understand the point there, especially a few years back, but with ridiculous amounts of equal quality (sometimes better) open source and freeware alternatives or cheap personal licenses for everything from digital video and image editing, to audio workstations, DJ software, to 3D modelling, it doesn't hold up much these days IMO.SamEyes wrote:Also, I had cracked versions of Cubase and Reason, which is what I started making music on. Once I got better at it and got a publishing deal advance I purchased over a grands worth of software, money I wouldn't have spent if I hadn't cracked that software in the first place.
My main rule of thumb is that if I make enough money out of it to afford buying it, I will. Maybe a bit of a slanted moral position but I'm okay with it.
If that were really true, these companies would be out of business.wormcode wrote:I understand the point there, especially a few years back, but with ridiculous amounts of equal quality (sometimes better) open source and freeware alternatives or cheap personal licenses for everything from digital video and image editing, to audio workstations, DJ software, to 3D modelling, it doesn't hold up much these days IMO.SamEyes wrote:Also, I had cracked versions of Cubase and Reason, which is what I started making music on. Once I got better at it and got a publishing deal advance I purchased over a grands worth of software, money I wouldn't have spent if I hadn't cracked that software in the first place.
My main rule of thumb is that if I make enough money out of it to afford buying it, I will. Maybe a bit of a slanted moral position but I'm okay with it.
It's surprising how many people don't know anything about open source or GPL stuff. It's getting more popular, but a few years ago you had to be a real big nerd to know about that kind of stuff. So casual users don't often look past the names like Microsoft or Apple or Adobe etc. I remember when the movie Antitrust came out in about 2001, it caused a huge stir in the open source scene because the film dealt specifically with promoting it to the public. Too bad it sucked.Kilo Graham wrote:If that were really true, these companies would be out of business.
But a lot of the reason that there isn't more competition in that range is that people use cracked copies of cubase (or FL or whatever) rather than get together 50 dollars for Reaper. In that sense, piracy does help Steinberg - it takes over quite a large chunk of the "skint hobbyist" market and makes it a lot harder for small companies to gradually build a top class Cubase-killer by starting small and cheap and building up.Kilo Graham wrote:Yeah and Reaper can be had legitimately for about 50 dollars, which is a reasonable price. I just don't like it much myself, we need more competition in that price range.
gimp is alright, but it isn't a DAW. Open Office is nearly as good (sometimes better) than microsoft office, mostly old people but microsoft office now, or it comes with your computer or whatever.ehbrums1 wrote:It is true.. Look at gimp, open source version of photoshop, yet photoshop still sells same with open office and Microsoft office
It's not just people not knowing about it. Ask Skrillex if he's ever heard of Reaper, I'll bet he has. He still uses something else.wormcode wrote:It's surprising how many people don't know anything about open source or GPL stuff. It's getting more popular, but a few years ago you had to be a real big nerd to know about that kind of stuff. So casual users don't often look past the names like Microsoft or Apple or Adobe etc. I remember when the movie Antitrust came out in about 2001, it caused a huge stir in the open source scene because the film dealt specifically with promoting it to the public. Too bad it sucked.Kilo Graham wrote:If that were really true, these companies would be out of business.
I see your reasoning but I'm not sure how far it really goes. In either case, it's on guys like Reaper to figure it out. It's not our job.slothrop wrote:But a lot of the reason that there isn't more competition in that range is that people use cracked copies of cubase (or FL or whatever) rather than get together 50 dollars for Reaper. In that sense, piracy does help Steinberg - it takes over quite a large chunk of the "skint hobbyist" market and makes it a lot harder for small companies to gradually build a top class Cubase-killer by starting small and cheap and building up.Kilo Graham wrote:Yeah and Reaper can be had legitimately for about 50 dollars, which is a reasonable price. I just don't like it much myself, we need more competition in that price range.
Which is why those companies are stupid. When demand goes down, the price should go down.ehbrums1 wrote:And thus drives prices of Those products up because sales are down