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I dunno what the problem is, is a scientist can't do it then it must have been god.

ketamine wrote:Although I'd like to point out that a full blown SCIENTIST has to put all these things together just to try and create these conditions (and it STILL never comes to life).

Except it has and I put a simple google search that leads to several sites explaining how this has taken place.

ketamine wrote:But to say life originally was put together by Intelligence is considered wrong. It just HAD to happen by itself in the ocean. Right. You pull your head out your &ss.

Tests have been observed and reproduced recently whereby Scientists have been able to build amino and protein chains almost out of nothing in solution. And by build, I mean do absolutely nothing. There is no reason to believe that it is so unlikely it happened (and probably still IS happening) so many years ago? Maybe life is just the natural conclusion that our particular atmospheric and chemical conditions result in?
This idea of us being so super special and unique is actually extremely egocentric.

That a person doesn't believe life evolved by itself, does not make them Ignorant & Without Understanding.

You choose believe what you were told, and I choose to believe common sense. Complexity does not increase in nature. Entropy does.

Even if you believed something intelligent just "spun the wheel" to get things going, then that'd be more plausible, but even that's not enough. It has to come from nothing. And I'm the silly one?

Riiiiiiiiight.

Under certain, exact, circumstances life can form. I thought that was factual and common knowledge.

Terpit wrote:Under certain, exact, circumstances life can form. I thought that was factual and common knowledge.

Like people thought the earth was flat, and then realized it wasn't? How long before they give up on Evolution as the origin of life?

Yeah true, we're probably here coz of magic

Chemical Soup spontaneously turning into a lifeform & increasing in complexity and intelligence sure sounds like magic to me.

ketamine wrote:That a person doesn't believe life evolved by itself, does not make them Ignorant & Without Understanding.

You choose believe what you were told, and I choose to believe common sense. Complexity does not increase in nature. Entropy does.

Even if you believed something intelligent just "spun the wheel" to get things going, then that'd be more plausible, but even that's not enough. It has to come from nothing. And I'm the silly one?

Riiiiiiiiight.

The more entropic an environment is, the greater the potential for mathematical complexity and the greater the potential for more and more random products of that environment. What goes on between compounds is much more simple and less complex than what goes on between particles on a subatomic level. That's for certain.
As entropy increases more and more, the greater the likelihood that some sort of order can be formed out of that madness.
I hope this makes sense, I don't think I am explaining myself well.

ketamine wrote:Although I'd like to point out that a full blown SCIENTIST has to put all these things together just to try and create these conditions (and it STILL never comes to life).

But to say life originally was put together by Intelligence is considered wrong. It just HAD to happen by itself in the ocean. Right. You pull your head out your &ss.

It's considered wrong because no one has put forth any real positive evidence of an "intelligence" creating life apart from "it's too complicated to have happened randomly". Even if abiogenesis WAS disproven (which it hasn't been), there's no reason to logically conclude that God did it, as there are several other possibilities (like the idea that life landed other earth from another planet).

ketamine wrote:It has to come from nothing.

There is no nothing. It doesn't exist, it is a construct. You find me a nothing in nature.

nowaysj wrote:

ketamine wrote:It has to come from nothing.

There is no nothing. It doesn't exist, it is a construct. You find me a nothing in nature.

A vacuum at the edge of the universe?

ketamine wrote:Although I'd like to point out that a full blown SCIENTIST has to put all these things together just to try and create these conditions (and it STILL never comes to life).

But to say life originally was put together by Intelligence is considered wrong. It just HAD to happen by itself in the ocean. Right. You pull your head out your &ss.

collige wrote:

nowaysj wrote:

ketamine wrote:It has to come from nothing.

There is no nothing. It doesn't exist, it is a construct. You find me a nothing in nature.

A vacuum at the edge of the universe?

ketamine wrote:

Terpit wrote:Under certain, exact, circumstances life can form. I thought that was factual and common knowledge.

Like people thought the earth was flat, and then realized it wasn't? How long before they give up on Evolution as the origin of life?

ketamine wrote:Chemical Soup spontaneously turning into a lifeform & increasing in complexity and intelligence sure sounds like magic to me.

The irony of these statements makes me laugh.

ketamine wrote:That a person doesn't believe life evolved by itself, does not make them Ignorant & Without Understanding.

Yeah, about that....

Is this horse guy actually serious or has he got the driest sense of humour ever?

He's serious.

What about sea monkeys for fucks sake? That's just water and dust or some shit, and they turn in to a proper little civilization.

they never worked for me :'(

Your god skills are weak.