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bassinine wrote:30hz is almost inaudible

listen to some low low tunes on a good system and youll think differently bruv.

30hz makes my car windscreen wipers bounce, although i have a dedicated sub.

The reason people high pass is not due to human hearing, it's about speaker and amplifier efficiency. Most systems can't reproduce ultra low bass, so by putting it in there you're just wasting power. Ever seen a small speaker taken out of its box? Any frequency that has a wavelength longer than the speaker cone gets cancelled out, so it'll just flap around and make no bass.

Humans have a limit to hearing, but we can certainly feel ultra low bass.

And people who high pass a sub?? I'd suggest reading up on the limitations of fft, it's not very accurate for bass. Sure, high pass other stuff to take sub out of it, but a sub should really be kept pure for maximum power. There's an interesting article here: http://www.meldaproduction.com/audiotut ... lizers.php

bassinine wrote:30hz is almost inaudible

Yeah listen on a good system and you'll think differently. 30hz will shake your fillings out.

http://www.rotarywoofer.com/howlowcanwehear.html - a good article on human hearing. Basically we can detect lower than 20hz if it's played loud enough, but to do so would require a lot of power and a serious subwoofer.

RandoRando wrote:

bassinine wrote:30hz is almost inaudible

listen to some low low tunes on a good system and youll think differently bruv.

uh, no. i have heard 30hz on a huge sub, and i won't think differently - because i've already fucking heard it a 1000 times.

almost inaudible is exactly what it is. you don't HEAR 30hz so much as you FEEL it.

20hz is the lower limit of the audible range for human beings. everyone knows.

bassinine wrote:uh, no. i have heard 30hz on a huge sub, and i won't think differently - because i've already fucking heard it a 1000 times.

almost inaudible is exactly what it is. you don't HEAR 30hz so much as you FEEL it.

20hz is the lower limit of the audible range for human beings. everyone knows.

If you play it louder then you can hear it, so it's definitely not inaudible - i can even hear 20hz test tones and lower on my headphones. Sure you can feel it too, but that doesn't make it inaudible. Might i suggest you read the informative link i posted if you're interested in the subject?

Here's another link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sub-bass

20 Hz is considered the normal low frequency limit of human hearing. When pure sine waves are reproduced under ideal conditions and at very high volume, a human listener will be able to identify tones as low as 12 Hz.[2]

Anyhow, i've said enough. Please don't let scientific facts and studies get in the way of your blind assumptions.

tell me where i said it was INAUDIBLE. show me. because i didn't say that.

again, i said, ALMOST INAUDIBLE. ALMOST. ALMOST.

as in, it is in the LOWEST RANGE OF AUDIBLE TONES - and that producing below 30hz is pointless because almost NO subwoofer plays lower than 30, and all it does it kill your headroom.

christ people, quit arguing with points that i didn't make.

but hey, don't let me not saying something get in the way of you still arguing with it.

VirtualMark wrote:

at very high volume, a human listener will be able to identify tones as low as 12 Hz.[2]

Anyhow, i've said enough. Please don't let scientific facts and studies get in the way of your blind assumptions.

That's at a very high volume, I highly doubt there is any use for frequencies under 20 hz in a song, even it on a huge fucking system. Maybe in the future when there's some crazy ass speakers that can do anything, but I think we can deal with that problem when it comes along.

OfficialDAPT wrote:

VirtualMark wrote:

at very high volume, a human listener will be able to identify tones as low as 12 Hz.[2]

Anyhow, i've said enough. Please don't let scientific facts and studies get in the way of your blind assumptions.

That's at a very high volume, I highly doubt there is any use for frequencies under 20 hz in a song, even it on a huge fucking system. Maybe in the future when there's some crazy ass speakers that can do anything, but I think we can deal with that problem when it comes along.

There's a black hole somewhere in the Universe that apparently emits tones of 0.3 hz.

koncide wrote:

OfficialDAPT wrote:

VirtualMark wrote:

at very high volume, a human listener will be able to identify tones as low as 12 Hz.[2]

Anyhow, i've said enough. Please don't let scientific facts and studies get in the way of your blind assumptions.

That's at a very high volume, I highly doubt there is any use for frequencies under 20 hz in a song, even it on a huge fucking system. Maybe in the future when there's some crazy ass speakers that can do anything, but I think we can deal with that problem when it comes along.

There's a black hole somewhere in the Universe that apparently emits tones of 0.3 hz.

Nice!

Yeah who knows what we'll do in the future - personally i'd love to hear 20hz tones being blasted out of huge systems. I love bass which is why i'm here, as far as i'm concerned the lower and louder the better.

I can't deal with standing in a club with a subpar system. Especially when I've experienced better.

All about that face-vibrating, difficulty-breathing vibe.

On good systems you can really tell the difference between tracks with good bass and those with bad. I think it's really important for producers to make sure their sub is REALLY packing heat. If it's not, when it's dropped next to a track with superior bass, it's going to sound very weak and unimpressive.

reading this made me just want to blast some sub frequencies, but I'm stuck with no headphones or speakers atm