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ninjadog wrote:Dosent matter where they debuted or what awards they dident win. You are dead wrong. As soon as Teen Spirit hit the airwaves they exploded and became the voice of a generation according to the media. Cobain did not want that and was part of the reason shit spun out of control with his life. Maybe your right with the fratboys but who gives a fuck about them. But they were definitely a lot bigger than you think before his death. If not Cobain who would you say was the voice of that generation?

no one was the voice. that was the entire point of that generation. no one understood us, skeptical of everyone, everyone was a fake, blah fucking blah blah blah

edit: and to clarify again I didn't hate nirvana. I was fortunate enough to see them live, something I am very thankful to say I got to see. However, I saw them as a popular band coming to town, not my chance to catch the beatles.

ninjadog wrote:At Lolapalooza 94 or 95 people started to leave when the Pumpkins came on to headline because no one gives two shits about those wanks.

I highly doubt that in 94 (SP were touring on Siamese Dream which was a HUGE hit) or 95 (when Mellon Collie, what had to be the more successful album, came out) nobody gave a shit about SP in their OWN HOME TOWN.

98 and on, maybe, but not during their "golden era".

InternetSlaveMaster wrote:

ninjadog wrote:At Lolapalooza 94 or 95 people started to leave when the Pumpkins came on to headline because no one gives two shits about those wanks.

I highly doubt that in 94 (SP were touring on Siamese Dream which was a HUGE hit) or 95 (when Mellon Collie, what had to be the more successful album, came out) nobody gave a shit about SP in their OWN HOME TOWN.

98 and on, maybe, but not during their "golden era".

They were touring with the festival playing in Vancouver...
1994

Location: North America

Dates: July 7, 1994 – September 5, 1994

Main Stage: The Smashing Pumpkins, Beastie Boys, George Clinton & the P-Funk All Stars, The Breeders, A Tribe Called Quest, Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds, L7, Boredoms (first half of tour), Green Day (second half)

Side Stage: The Flaming Lips, The Verve, The Boo Radleys, The Frogs (first six dates only), Guided by Voices, Lambchop, Girls Against Boys, Rollerskate Skinny, Palace Songs, Stereolab, Fu-Schnickens, The Pharcyde, Shudder to Think, Luscious Jackson, God Lives Underwater, King Kong, Charlie Hunter Trio, Shonen Knife, Blast Off Country Style, Souls of Mischief, Cypress Hill, The Black Crowes, Angelo Moore aka Dr. Madd Vibe and members of Fishbone performed in the poetry tent with the Beastie Boys at the Shoreline show in CA.

Several of the artists, including Green Day and Cypress Hill, skipped at least one Lollapalooza tour date in order to appear at Woodstock '94 instead. (During Woodstock '94, a security guard mistook bassist Mike Dirnt of Green Day for a stage-invading fan and punched out some of his teeth. Green Day did not perform in Miami) (Green Day held the opening slot for the show in Atlanta, flying to New York immediately afterwards.) Nirvana was scheduled to headline but officially pulled out on April 4, 1994, amid strong rumors that the band was on the verge of breaking up. Nirvana frontman Kurt Cobain was found dead in Seattle, Washington 4 days later on April 8, 1994. Cobain's widow, Courtney Love, made surprise guest appearances at several shows, speaking to the crowds about the loss.[1]

pkay is on point. Nevermind is good, but in no way "HOLY SHIT FUCKING AMAZING" give me Siamese Dream, Mellon Collie, every Fugazi album, and every RHCP album over it any day of the fucking week.

pkay wrote:
Sorry bro I'm calling you out on some bullshit. When Nevermind was getting huge the smashing pumpkins were relatively unknown. So the odds of you knowing any Pumpkins Fanatics in 1992 is pretty much slim and none.

When did I say it was in 92? More like 94

lol I went to lollapalooza 94. Certainly weren't people leaving during the pumpkins. It was less than a year after Siamese Dream came out. Huge loyal fanbase. Disarm was released as a single right before lollapalooza as was their version of Landslide which was all over the place as an awesome cover.

Saw them on the Siamese Dream tour, they played 2 sold out shows in Dallas, came back 4 months later and played 2 sold out shows again. Acting like no one cared about the smashing pumpkins is comedic. Especially considering in 95 they sold 10 million copies of a double album which was the most critically acclaimed album of the grunge/alternative era.

ninjadog wrote:

pkay wrote:
Sorry bro I'm calling you out on some bullshit. When Nevermind was getting huge the smashing pumpkins were relatively unknown. So the odds of you knowing any Pumpkins Fanatics in 1992 is pretty much slim and none.

When did I say it was in 92? More like 94

you were talking about when nevermind came out which was late 1991 and wasn't really massively popular until the start of 92. by april 94 kurt was dead

but that confirms my suspicions that you were talking about the time well after grunge was established.

Fugazi live were awsome!! I saw them a few times.

I dug the Smashing Pumpkins. Gish is a great album, haven't heard it in years though. I think I caught them on that same Lollapalooza tour.

mks wrote:Fugazi live were awsome!! I saw them a few times.

I dug the Smashing Pumpkins. Gish is a great album, haven't heard it in years though. I think I caught them on that same Lollapalooza tour.

Fugazi were my 2nd concert ever. Saw them at the Bomb Factory in Dallas in may 1993. My big sister took me because she was a massive reverened horton heat fan and they were the local opener. I had no concept of how awesome that show would be going into it. I left absolutely amazed. Fugazi were insane live as was RHH

Damn, you guys are lucky fuckers. Makes me wish I was older

pkay wrote:

ninjadog wrote:

pkay wrote:
Sorry bro I'm calling you out on some bullshit. When Nevermind was getting huge the smashing pumpkins were relatively unknown. So the odds of you knowing any Pumpkins Fanatics in 1992 is pretty much slim and none.

When did I say it was in 92? More like 94

you were talking about when nevermind came out which was late 1991 and wasn't really massively popular until the start of 92. by april 94 kurt was dead

but that confirms my suspicions that you were talking about the time well after grunge was established.

I was talking about high school, sorry if I don't remember exact dates from 18 years ago.

ninjadog wrote:

InternetSlaveMaster wrote:

ninjadog wrote:At Lolapalooza 94 or 95 people started to leave when the Pumpkins came on to headline because no one gives two shits about those wanks.

I highly doubt that in 94 (SP were touring on Siamese Dream which was a HUGE hit) or 95 (when Mellon Collie, what had to be the more successful album, came out) nobody gave a shit about SP in their OWN HOME TOWN.

98 and on, maybe, but not during their "golden era".

They were touring with the festival playing in Vancouver...
1994

Location: North America

Dates: July 7, 1994 – September 5, 1994

Main Stage: The Smashing Pumpkins, Beastie Boys, George Clinton & the P-Funk All Stars, The Breeders, A Tribe Called Quest, Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds, L7, Boredoms (first half of tour), Green Day (second half)

Side Stage: The Flaming Lips, The Verve, The Boo Radleys, The Frogs (first six dates only), Guided by Voices, Lambchop, Girls Against Boys, Rollerskate Skinny, Palace Songs, Stereolab, Fu-Schnickens, The Pharcyde, Shudder to Think, Luscious Jackson, God Lives Underwater, King Kong, Charlie Hunter Trio, Shonen Knife, Blast Off Country Style, Souls of Mischief, Cypress Hill, The Black Crowes, Angelo Moore aka Dr. Madd Vibe and members of Fishbone performed in the poetry tent with the Beastie Boys at the Shoreline show in CA.

Several of the artists, including Green Day and Cypress Hill, skipped at least one Lollapalooza tour date in order to appear at Woodstock '94 instead. (During Woodstock '94, a security guard mistook bassist Mike Dirnt of Green Day for a stage-invading fan and punched out some of his teeth. Green Day did not perform in Miami) (Green Day held the opening slot for the show in Atlanta, flying to New York immediately afterwards.) Nirvana was scheduled to headline but officially pulled out on April 4, 1994, amid strong rumors that the band was on the verge of breaking up. Nirvana frontman Kurt Cobain was found dead in Seattle, Washington 4 days later on April 8, 1994. Cobain's widow, Courtney Love, made surprise guest appearances at several shows, speaking to the crowds about the loss.[1]

Ahh my bad, forgot that Lolla used to be a tour, not just a Chicago festival. (ps, I know that they hold it simultaneously in other places too, but Chicago is the big one atm)

Regardless, I'm not buying that "nobody gave a shit about SP" when they were selling tens of millions of albums..

SCope13 wrote:Damn, you guys are lucky fuckers. Makes me wish I was older

my list of awesome shows I am very fortunate to have seen:

Pixies on the trompe le monde tour
Nirvana @ Fairpark Coliseum less than a year before Kurt died
Bjork on the Debut tour with 808 State less than a thousand people
The Rage Against The Machine/Wu Tang/Atari Teenage Riot tour, then after Wu Tang got dropped saw the Roots/RATM, and Atari Teenage Riot (Both with Carl Crack still alive and both with Hanin performing which turned out to be a rarity)
Tricky on the Maxinquaye tour

InternetSlaveMaster wrote:

ninjadog wrote:

InternetSlaveMaster wrote:

ninjadog wrote:At Lolapalooza 94 or 95 people started to leave when the Pumpkins came on to headline because no one gives two shits about those wanks.

I highly doubt that in 94 (SP were touring on Siamese Dream which was a HUGE hit) or 95 (when Mellon Collie, what had to be the more successful album, came out) nobody gave a shit about SP in their OWN HOME TOWN.

98 and on, maybe, but not during their "golden era".

They were touring with the festival playing in Vancouver...
1994

Location: North America

Dates: July 7, 1994 – September 5, 1994

Main Stage: The Smashing Pumpkins, Beastie Boys, George Clinton & the P-Funk All Stars, The Breeders, A Tribe Called Quest, Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds, L7, Boredoms (first half of tour), Green Day (second half)

Side Stage: The Flaming Lips, The Verve, The Boo Radleys, The Frogs (first six dates only), Guided by Voices, Lambchop, Girls Against Boys, Rollerskate Skinny, Palace Songs, Stereolab, Fu-Schnickens, The Pharcyde, Shudder to Think, Luscious Jackson, God Lives Underwater, King Kong, Charlie Hunter Trio, Shonen Knife, Blast Off Country Style, Souls of Mischief, Cypress Hill, The Black Crowes, Angelo Moore aka Dr. Madd Vibe and members of Fishbone performed in the poetry tent with the Beastie Boys at the Shoreline show in CA.

Several of the artists, including Green Day and Cypress Hill, skipped at least one Lollapalooza tour date in order to appear at Woodstock '94 instead. (During Woodstock '94, a security guard mistook bassist Mike Dirnt of Green Day for a stage-invading fan and punched out some of his teeth. Green Day did not perform in Miami) (Green Day held the opening slot for the show in Atlanta, flying to New York immediately afterwards.) Nirvana was scheduled to headline but officially pulled out on April 4, 1994, amid strong rumors that the band was on the verge of breaking up. Nirvana frontman Kurt Cobain was found dead in Seattle, Washington 4 days later on April 8, 1994. Cobain's widow, Courtney Love, made surprise guest appearances at several shows, speaking to the crowds about the loss.[1]

Ahh my bad, forgot that Lolla used to be a tour, not just a Chicago festival. (ps, I know that they hold it simultaneously in other places too, but Chicago is the big one atm)

Regardless, I'm not buying that "nobody gave a shit about SP" when they were selling tens of millions of albums..

not to mention that at the time Smashing Pumpkins were the biggest thing happening from the midwest. Literally the only other band doing much from the midwest in that regards was maybe Veruca Salt and Hum? I'm sure I"m forgetting someone but SP were the midwest heroes

pkay wrote:
not to mention that at the time Smashing Pumpkins were the biggest thing happening from the midwest. Literally the only other band doing much from the midwest in that regards was maybe Veruca Salt and Hum? I'm sure I"m forgetting someone but SP were the midwest heroes

Geography did play a part in the scene at the time, out west the Seattle and Cali bands were heavily favored over the eastern bands. So I can see where your coming from.

As someone who is old enough to be able to comment.
Nirvana was all about In utero for me.
Nevermind was like the poppy equivalent, easily accessible for the masses.

Smashing Pumpkins have always been a bigger band for me.
Yes Nirvana had a major run of popularity but as pkay says, it all happened once Cobain offed himself.
But they were most definitely pushing the envelope waaaay more.
Mellon Collie is still my favorite rock album.

Yeah but...

The Wipers & Melvins were better than all of them.

Back in that era it was all about SL2, Ratpack, The Prodigy and Utah Saints, tape packs and Normski anyway. Big up the Helter Skelter record bag massive, give those army satchel with grunge band names written on them pansies a slap around their greasy cry baby heads.

dave grohl is poo

mks wrote:Fugazi live were awsome!! I saw them a few times.

Saw them in Helsinki, nice one!

I was into punk, too, so didn't really give a fuck about Nirvana that much, they were OK. Never got into Smashing pumpkins, at all.

Anyone likes Nomeansno? 'Mama' was one of the tapes I could listen to on repeat. Next to Ministry, haha.