test recordings wrote:It always makes me wonder how the fuck the UK comes up with such innovative music. I mean, what other country makes music people listen?
They`re in the fucking backwaters making beats
The UK is hardly 'innovative'. It just puts a spin on American black music. Blues, rock & roll, hio-hop, reggae (not strictly American, but still the result of American music traditions), soul.
if were not innovative then why are we renowned worldwide for our musical history & why is our scene much better than urs? m8 pls...
You're not as renowned as you think you are. The British music press inflates the importance of your music scene a lot. It's very nationalistic.
And "renowned" isn't the same as "innovative". And "innovative" isn't the same as "good". I'm not sayign the music from the UK is necessarily bad. But rave was the UK's answer to hip-house. Jungle to hip-hop (same production techniques, right down to slicing up breakbeats, using old samples of black music and have some dude MC over it, the execution was just different).. UKG to house.. lots of 2-step was dudes doing their own wake on soul and r&b they've heard when they were younger. Do I need to even start about grime?
And yeah what were all these soul, r&b and rock & roll bands trying to sound like when they were making music? Notice how each of these genres was born in America in the first place?
For innovation, especially in the 20th century, you've got to look at the states. Both the UK and America owe everything to black dudes from the Mississippi delta playing acoustic guitars.
The UK is a lot like Japan when it comes to music. It took American things and gave them their own regional spin. There's nothing wrong with it, but it also didn't reinvent wheel. And it doesn't have to. It's good stuff.
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Re: we just used to like do our own thing.....
Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 12:19 am
by Terpit
troll on troll warfare
Re: we just used to like do our own thing.....
Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 12:43 am
by mks
I've always seen it as the English - Jamaican - American nexus.
Re: we just used to like do our own thing.....
Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 1:06 am
by esfandyar
hey we haven't had one of those uk vs usa threads in a while. they are still retarded!
Re: we just used to like do our own thing.....
Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 1:11 am
by Terpit
esfandyar wrote: they are still juvenile yet mildly entertaining
Re: we just used to like do our own thing.....
Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 1:54 am
by mks
It doesn't really matter anyways because all of the music from England, Jamaica and America completely sucks.
Re: we just used to like do our own thing.....
Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 2:31 am
by esfandyar
Terpit wrote:
esfandyar wrote: they are still juvenile yet mildly entertaining
mks wrote:It doesn't really matter anyways because all of the music from England, Jamaica and America completely sucks.
Re: we just used to like do our own thing.....
Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 2:49 am
by test_recordings
I haven`t heard anything new or original from America in a longggg time
Please prove me wrong
Re: we just used to like do our own thing.....
Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 2:57 am
by mks
Yeah, UK Bass is pretty much recycled House music.
Re: we just used to like do our own thing.....
Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 4:46 am
by test_recordings
mks wrote:Yeah, UK Bass is pretty much recycled House music.
I actually listened to Italo house from the early `80s and it`s the fucking same then as now I hate house, fucking dead music.
You must admit those jungle subs were something new, though. I`ve never heard anything like that before then, it`s only a fucking detuned sine wave and all
Re: we just used to like do our own thing.....
Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 5:31 am
by mks
I will admit that Jungle, Dubstep and some other styles wouldn't have happened anywhere else other than England.
And I am very grateful for that!!
Re: we just used to like do our own thing.....
Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 7:08 am
by test_recordings
I`m pretty sure the UK in general contributed something, not just England. It was probably mostly London, to be honest.
Re: we just used to like do our own thing.....
Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 8:49 am
by incnic
does nyone klnow what the smap;le is and what song it got used in?
Re: we just used to like do our own thing.....
Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 3:05 pm
by Genevieve
mks wrote:I will admit that Jungle, Dubstep and some other styles wouldn't have happened anywhere else other than England.
And I am very grateful for that!!
That's what I meant with 'regional spin'. They're a product of their environment and they sound like it. But none of these styles broke any barriers.
test recordings wrote:I haven`t heard anything new or original from America in a longggg time
Please prove me wrong
Nope, it did stop a long time ago. It stopped with hip-hop. Electronic music as a whole is merely a reappropriation of hip-hop production techniques. It all really happened with Bambaata and Grandmaster Flash. All electronic music since then has been a variation of that style of production, and built on that (with the technological advancements). In the UK too. Though is has some influences from Jamaican culture as well (though, GENERALLY, it referenced dub production/culture more than it applied it, though there's exceptions).
Like someone like Venetian Snares, his music's totally crazy and out there. But he just hit a vibe that technical death metal bands hit before him, with production techniques that hip-hop producers used before him. He gets points for being original, but not for being innovative.
I'm not even American btw'z. I'm Dutch, but if I had to look at it objectively, the US was a lot more innovative in the 20th century. And just look at what all these UK musicians' main influences come from. People may have been calling me a 'troll' or whatever, but at least I had points. Points that really weren't refuted. All we're doing now comes from some guys playing blue notes in the Mississippi delta, Jamaicans using a mixer as an instrument on itself (which was done before to a lesser degree by Americans as well -- Phil Spector anyone? Miles Davis?) and some guy in the Bronx using hardware to turn old songs into new ones.. Or even American middle aged white composers in a lab playing with tapeloops. Why wouldn't it? America was on the forefront of technological and cultural advancement in the 20th century (and was a bigger melting pot of cultures than the UK was). And its market was much bigger. More people listened to Quincy Jones than any blue eyed soul from the UK
Re: we just used to like do our own thing.....
Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 5:11 pm
by Leave Blank
incnic wrote:does nyone klnow what the smap;le is and what song it got used in?
Re: we just used to like do our own thing.....
Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 7:51 pm
by Hibbie
Phigure wrote:Genes posts are so bad they make we want to punch myself in the face
But he's right though
Re: we just used to like do our own thing.....
Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 8:39 pm
by Perej
incnic wrote:does nyone klnow what the smap;le is and what song it got used in?
100% sure am being trolled but how could u not know elipsis? Do u not ever go out >!?!??!
Re: we just used to like do our own thing.....
Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 11:37 pm
by incnic
i dont know m8 just heard it on rinsefm and linked the 2 in my head
bit funny that joy obisn is sampling dnb for a house tune tho LOL
I hate house, fucking dead music.