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nowaysj wrote: It's one of those you wouldn't believe me if I told you things. But feel free to look into the actual health of your economy, and the implication to all areas of your life?

Health of our economy has been rough for a long time but isn't it the same for most country's at the moment?
Also things are still just ticking along as they have been and other than price increases and crime rates increasing around my area the implication's of the economy being shit haven't really been too bad for myself and people around me yet!
I'm all for privatising emergency services as long as my tax bill goes down and the costs are not too detrimental on my living expenses.

The way i see it is emergency services don't really get paid the wage they should and yet pretty much put their lives on the line for most of us so if it was to go private wouldn't this increase the quality of service we would receive?
I know a few people who use private health care and say it is a godsend because things are dealt with a lot quicker than what they would be on the nhs.
Also policing,if the police had more money wouldn't they get a better control on the lawless aspect you get on most estates in the uk.There is a number of estates round me where the police haven't a fucking clue so more money=more resources which in turn should create better policing i think.
Now the fire department are very underpaid for the job they are expected to do,also seem to take the biggest hit with budget reductions and the like so again more money=more resources and probably a bigger degree of safety in the way their job is carried out.

lloydy wrote:The way i see it is emergency services don't really get paid the wage they should and yet pretty much put their lives on the line for most of us so if it was to go private wouldn't this increase the quality of service we would receive?
I know a few people who use private health care and say it is a godsend because things are dealt with a lot quicker than what they would be on the nhs.
Also policing,if the police had more money wouldn't they get a better control on the lawless aspect you get on most estates in the uk.There is a number of estates round me where the police haven't a fucking clue so more money=more resources which in turn should create better policing i think.
Now the fire department are very underpaid for the job they are expected to do,also seem to take the biggest hit with budget reductions and the like so again more money=more resources and probably a bigger degree of safety in the way their job is carried out.

But running the police as a private profit making company opens up all sorts of possible problems- You're assuming that it'd make policing better and have more funding but where does this funding come from- still the taxpayer? Or perhaps they'd have lower wages or have costs cut, and be more concerned with making company profit than improved Policing.

Perhaps they'd only enforce things that are good for their business. Are they getting paid cash for the amount of arrests they make? Would they have loyalty to their own company making them above the law?

Mr Hyde wrote: But running the police as a private profit making company opens up all sorts of possible problems- You're assuming that it'd make policing better and have more funding but where does this funding come from- still the taxpayer?

I said i agree to it if i pay less tax,i would of thought if this sort of thing was to happen it would be how it is with private healthcare.We pay to use the service rather than paying for it through tax or Ni so i said if we were to pay less in them areas i would be happy to pay.I know it's an assumption that policing would become better but thats just it could it get any worse?Policing in my area is a joke,crime rates are soaring,robberies on the up,burglaries on the up.Even down to hood rats roaming the streets damaging cars and just generally being tnucs,surely this is something simple to police right?
I got burgled recently,now i will be honest you know your never going to get your shit back and they are unlikely to catch the culprit but i was given probably 4 names within a matter of weeks of people who are known to burgle houses.My point is if these people are known and are still committing crimes then why the fuck are they not being dealt with and are still free to do whatever they want.

Or perhaps they'd have lower wages or have costs cut, and be more concerned with making company profit than improved Policing.

Again my point is if they were to privatise then hopefully they would receive more funding,i mean the basic constable wage is what 26-30k a year.I have lads at my workplace who could earn 23k a year for packing a product and in that role all you have to be is a robot.
I know with private company's it is all about profit but surely they would make a killing on fine's and stuff just like the government do.Like the big thing over the speed camera's a few years back,it was obviously a money making venture hence why so many went up so quick.I know of 3 in my area that haven't worked for almost a year(maybe more)due to the cameras costing a lot to maintain.
In the end as long as there are more police and policing was to improve i would be all for it and willing to pay.

Perhaps they'd only enforce things that are good for their business. Are they getting paid cash for the amount of arrests they make? Would they have loyalty to their own company making them above the law?

See i think your points are all valid and it would need so much debate before anything happened.In the end there is corruption in every walk of life and no company is apparently above any law but who knows.
Maybe i'm just looking at it through rose tinted glasses.As long as privatising emergency services benefited everyone i am all for it is all i'm saying.

A privatized emergency service of any kind will only work if it's open for competition. Merely "privatizing" it but not enabling the market to offer competition, wouldn't be really privatized. It would just create another corporate monopoly that is neither responsible to taxpayers OR people who pay for the service (where would they go if they do a bad job, another emergency service? right)

It's closer to anything related to fascism than a free market. If you really wanna liberalize emergency services, drop taxes significantly and leave it open for full competition. Not another government created monopoly like, let's say, the European Central Bank.

Look. Privatize your police, privatize your prisons. Hook and book all the black people into for profit manufacturing prisons and maybe England can actually export something other than toxic financial scams?

Llbean, things may be okay now, though always trending worse, but what is it that is making things okay now, and will those practices have a cost in the future? Who is going to pay the cost?