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SCope13 wrote:I'm not "supporting piracy", I'm just being honest and saying I simply don't have the money to buy all the music I want to listen to. So yeah, I have to pirate some shit. Would you rather I just not hear it at all? Because if I had to buy EVERYTHING I listen to, I would miss out on some really good stuff.

If it was clothes you were unable to wear rather than tunes you were able to listen to would it be equally ok?

I'd be a hypocrite if I was opposing all piracy, I'm not, though one could argue that my position is compromised, just the "I wouldn't be able to have it otherwise" seems like a weak argument.

The thing is there aren't infinite copies of clothes. It's hard to equate real world finite physical objects to an infinite supply of 1s and 0s.

deadly habit wrote:The thing is there aren't infinite copies of clothes. It's hard to equate real world finite physical objects to an infinite supply of 1s and 0s.

you're right and that post quoted previously is good but it seems to be less different in principle than in practice.

YouTube makes it feel a lot more morally okay to illegally download, on purely a listening level anyway.. once you start using the music more than listening on a laptop then it gets sticky.

I bet not only vinyl but all physical forms of music have seen an increase in sales, maybe not CDs because they're quite popular still but I bet even they're at least seeing a slow down in sales. If I'm gunna pay out money for music I want it in a physical form, even if its a tape mainly because artists are getting so lazy recently.. especially in grime. Make a little video, get everybody to hash tag the catchphrase, get Logan Sama to play it 2 months in a row on his show which he gets trending on twitter every week then stick it on iTunes for 99p. No thanks. Make a decent tune, make a decent physical representation of it and sell me it as a whole piece, not a bunch of advertising and an mp3.

Unless you're a new label and you simply can't get the demand for physical items then you should be making them imo, cause those buyers are the real supporters.. not these hyped up twats banging on about how big your tune is on twitter looking for a retweet.

I very rarely listen to CD's I've bought outside the car.

If allowing things to go out on digital only release allows artists to get to market easier then that has to be a good thing. Vinyl I get from a physical perspective but CD's especially those packed in cheap jewel cases are pretty shit like.

There's always a market for the physical mediums, as it has a collectors and resale value though.
Digital does kind of devalue the music in this regard. But as a counterpoint you can get higher quality audio than say a CD if they release say 24 bit wavs.

Again I get that argument but I think digital devalues the product but not the music, you're buying the music specifically to listen to it not trade on it.

Maybe I'm prejudiced given a ton of the CD's I bought before computer playback caught up are shot to shit.

scspkr99 wrote:If allowing things to go out on digital only release allows artists to get to market easier then that has to be a good thing.

Not always, being so easy to get to market causes people to focus on quantity over quality. Get the tune out, hype it up, bang out another tune, hype it up, bang out another tune.. you never got that when people were waiting months for vinyls or CDs to be mastered and pressed. People made sure what was coming out was good, not any old shit that can be forgotten in a week but by then your next tunes out.

Also with physical there was a very real danger you weren't gunna sell all the units you were producing and actually make a loss.. it was risky. People made sure the music was good and the best they could do. Now its nothing, if its a shit tune on iTunes that don't sell who cares.. no loss, put something else out.

Muncey wrote:

scspkr99 wrote:If allowing things to go out on digital only release allows artists to get to market easier then that has to be a good thing.

Not always, being so easy to get to market causes people to focus on quantity over quality. Get the tune out, hype it up, bang out another tune, hype it up, bang out another tune.. you never got that when people were waiting months for vinyls or CDs to be mastered and pressed. People made sure what was coming out was good, not any old shit that can be forgotten in a week but by then your next tunes out.

Also with physical there was a very real danger you weren't gunna sell all the units you were producing and actually make a loss.. it was risky. People made sure the music was good and the best they could do. Now its nothing, if its a shit tune on iTunes that don't sell who cares.. no loss, put something else out.

This...

Example in point:



Nah I kid, the digital boom has done fuck all for quality unfortunately. Yeah, there's probably more good music getting released than ever, shame I've rarely got the patience to try and find it in the mounds of shit that come out.

Yeah there are some notable exceptions

If there's one thing I've learnt about life - it's to not worry about things that you can't change.

I.e if the weather is shitty, don't worry about it.

If people pirate music, don't worry about it.

You can't change it or stop it, just accept the way things are and decide what you can do that's best for you.

Muncey wrote:

scspkr99 wrote:If allowing things to go out on digital only release allows artists to get to market easier then that has to be a good thing.

Not always, being so easy to get to market causes people to focus on quantity over quality. Get the tune out, hype it up, bang out another tune, hype it up, bang out another tune.. you never got that when people were waiting months for vinyls or CDs to be mastered and pressed. People made sure what was coming out was good, not any old shit that can be forgotten in a week but by then your next tunes out.

Also with physical there was a very real danger you weren't gunna sell all the units you were producing and actually make a loss.. it was risky. People made sure the music was good and the best they could do. Now its nothing, if its a shit tune on iTunes that don't sell who cares.. no loss, put something else out.

I agree that there's a lot of shit about but then it's down to us to provide the quality control by backing he labels doing proper mastering of digital releases. If people buy shit tunes from beatport and itunes then that's their business I have stuff in my library that may never have gotten a release had it required production costs.

Volume makes it harder and one of the reasons I joined this forum was to become more discerning in my buying and I tend to stick to the more established labels or stuff I was exposed to here and I'll get the CD if there's no lossless format released digitally.

I'm also not beating an anti piracy drum I do pirate movies and but I think music would be much poorer without digital releases

VirtualMark wrote:If there's one thing I've learnt about life - it's to not worry about things that you can't change.

I.e if the weather is shitty, don't worry about it.

If people pirate music, don't worry about it.

You can't change it or stop it, just accept the way things are and decide what you can do that's best for you.

pls post this in ww3 thread

i dont get 2 upset when ppl steal music just 2 listen 2

but i get real mad when dudes get paid "dj" gigs 2 play tunes they stole

thats sum low shit

Especially as illegally downloaded music is often 320 AT BEST. Don't offend my ears with your stolen songs!

Muncey wrote:Especially as illegally downloaded music is often 320 AT BEST. Don't offend my ears with your stolen songs!

Fairly easy to get FLAC releases if you are part of certain sites.

Digital has flooded the market with crap, I find myself not even bothering to listen to digital only releases unless it has been recommended or recognise the artist/label.

Double post.

rayman612 wrote:i dont get 2 upset when ppl steal music just 2 listen 2

but i get real mad when dudes get paid "dj" gigs 2 play tunes they stole

thats sum low shit

pretty much feel the same.

on that note...



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Muncey wrote:Especially as illegally downloaded music is often 320 AT BEST. Don't offend my ears with your stolen songs!

haha, m8 i fucking bet that if you heard several tunes at either 320 or wav and had to guess which it was, most times youd get it wrong. theres not that much difference between 320 and wav. once it gets lower than 256 yeah you can start to tell, but in a club, its not like some fucking perfect listening environment, the bass way overpowers the highs normally anyway.

I dont really feel bad for pirating stuff cos I buy mp3 and records, i spend a fair amount on music so whats the harm in pirating a bit of it compared to people who dont buy any at all. I spend way more on music than most of my mates. If i kinda like it, but arent massivel into it, i dont wanna spend money on it lol

u can definitely tell the difference when its being played that loud