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wikipedia is a helpful place to start if you know nothing about the history of racial oppression. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_supremacy

wub wrote:

dubfordessert wrote:black pride is in response to a long history of contempt for black people.

white pride is usually neo-izan delusions of grandeur and racism.

Do you feel that either term could support the opposite connotation of what you have described?

For example, Black Price being used negatively in the same way as neo-sizan utilise White Price?

it's possible "black pride" could be used by people who thought that black people were inherently superior to all other races, but they wouldn't have the tide of history or of current social power in their favour.

conversely, it's not really possible for anyone to unironically shout "white pride" without being at the very least, incredibly ignorant of history. there is no coherent construal of use that doesn't have very unpleasant connotations imho.

dubfordessert wrote:it's possible "black pride" could be used by people who thought that black people were inherently superior to all other races, but they wouldn't have the tide of history or of current social power in their favour.

conversely, it's not really possible for anyone to unironically shout "white pride" without being at the very least, incredibly ignorant of history. there is no coherent construal of use that doesn't have very unpleasant connotations imho.

So because of it's historical conceptions, White Pride could never be utilised in anything other than a negative manner?

Michael Jackson wrote:It Don't Matter If You're Black Or White

It's crazy to think we are only a few generations separate from slavery,segregation,apartheid etc

I wonder how many generations it will take until the wounds are healed, or at least forgiven on the grounds of mutual equality?

d-T-r wrote:

Michael Jackson wrote:It Don't Matter If You're Black Or White

It's crazy to think we are only a few generations separate from slavery,segregation,apartheid etc

I wonder how many generations it will take until the wounds are healed, or at least forgiven on the grounds of mutual equality?

ask the israelis & palestinians

d-T-r wrote:I wonder how many generations it will take until the wounds are healed, or at least forgiven on the grounds of mutual equality?

Would prejudice take longer to dissolve (if at all) if based on characteristics that are physical as well as cultural.

Nevalo wrote:ask the israelis & palestinians

Religious prejudice.

still hundreds (even thousands) of years of hurt in there.

people dont forget.

And a good example.

So is it human nature to never let some wounds heal?

Nevalo wrote:

d-T-r wrote:

Michael Jackson wrote:It Don't Matter If You're Black Or White

It's crazy to think we are only a few generations separate from slavery,segregation,apartheid etc

I wonder how many generations it will take until the wounds are healed, or at least forgiven on the grounds of mutual equality?

ask the israelis & palestinians

The "Israel Loves Palestine " campaign is worth checking out. As always,it's the minority who influence the opinion of the majority.

But overall, It's a shame people across the whole world still have their mindsets so locked in to the ignorance of the past that they can't see the effect they're having on their own future great great grandchildren's quality of life.

Would prejudice take longer to dissolve (if at all) if based on characteristics that are physical as well as cultural.

I guess that's gonna be subjective. People will hold on to their prejudices until they are willing to recognize them as such.

It could be human nature to 'never' let some wounds heal, but i think that could be underestimating the potential for progression beyond a state of being culturally wounded or scarred.

dubfordessert wrote:

wub wrote:

dubfordessert wrote:black pride is in response to a long history of contempt for black people.

white pride is usually neo-izan delusions of grandeur and racism.

Do you feel that either term could support the opposite connotation of what you have described?

For example, Black Price being used negatively in the same way as neo-sizan utilise White Price?

it's possible "black pride" could be used by people who thought that black people were inherently superior to all other races, but they wouldn't have the tide of history or of current social power in their favour.

conversely, it's not really possible for anyone to unironically shout "white pride" without being at the very least, incredibly ignorant of history. there is no coherent construal of use that doesn't have very unpleasant connotations imho.

Theres a Louie Theroux documentary where he interviews loads of black power people, a lot of them seem just as militant as their 'opposites'

rayman612 wrote:What about white ppl like terpit

What

Ur a minority, no?

Yeah, doesn't mean we can't be proud though

I can't know what Black Pride means
though I hear the urgency of its call

rather than have Wikipaedia explain it,
I read Ernest Gaines' A lesson before dying
and learned that it's about survival first

no white peoples have been enslaved en masse
to be used as beasts of burden by black peoples

the adjectives aren't about equivalence
for Black Pride is about seeking the light
whilst White Pride appeals to a black heart

I think pride is dangerous when you take pride in something you can't control, especially in this case, pride divides the people into groups instead of all working together for a better future. Now taking pride in an accomplishment that you took part in is a different story.

EliteLennon117 wrote:I think pride is dangerous when you take pride in something you can't control.

So, homosexuals then?

wub wrote:

EliteLennon117 wrote:I think pride is dangerous when you take pride in something you can't control.

So, homosexuals then?

Didn't really think about that, but I guess so. I don't have straight pride so I don't really understand how you can have pride in your sexuality.

EliteLennon117 wrote:

wub wrote:

EliteLennon117 wrote:I think pride is dangerous when you take pride in something you can't control.

So, homosexuals then?

Didn't really think about that, but I guess so. I don't have straight pride so I don't really understand how you can have pride in your sexuality.

Why do you think Gay Pride is dangerous though?

dubfordessert wrote:black pride is in response to a long history of contempt for black people.

white pride is usually neo-izan delusions of grandeur and racism.

pretty obvious really.

That's their origins, origins don't mean jack. The origins of 'black pride' may be more respectable, but the idea of 'black pride' is every bit as retarded and anti-intellectual and irrarional as 'white pride'. Is murdering out of revenge good because murdering out of fun is less respectable?

Pride for anything bigger than yourself is taking responsibility for other people's actions. My skin color comes from what other people did. It's a chance thing. I'm white cuz my parents fucked and they were white. I didn't do it, so fuck having pride for it.

I don't care that I'm a man, I don't care that I'm white, I don't care I have brown hair or that I'm heterosexual. All of those things are beyond my control and I shouldn't define myself by them.

wub wrote:

Phigure wrote:either way i dont understand why people have pride over things they have no control over, whether it be what race they are, what country they're born in, etc

Do you think pride in such a thing (outside of our control) is pointless?

Yes. I said this recently during St Paddys day when loads of people on my fb were banging on about English pride, posting pictures of English flags and 'FUCK ST PADDYS DAY'. Pride is an extremely strong word and the things I'm most proud about I've worked hard towards.. you should be a proud parent, proud at where you are in life, proud of achievements ect. Not something you're lumped with. I find the people who bang on about being proud of their colour, nationality or even area code are mostly retards who've achieved nothing in life so thats all they really have to be proud of.

Glad or happy would be a more accurate choice of work. I'm glad I'm English.

I also hate how pride means you can automatically take credit for things as well, or give you the right to complain about things. The amount of black people who were born in a middle class family in the 90s and bang on about slavery like they've been dealt a bad hand, how women who've never been subject to any sexism in their life still try squeeze out some 'I get treated differently because I'm a women' and something the English are great for.. trying to take credit for wars. 'We did this' 'We did that'. You done fuck all mate.

Phigure wrote:i dont like generalizing, but i think its generally fair to say that black people have had more struggles to overcome in their history and that white people have had it relatively easy.

iz u serious fam? you ain't never seen vikings on da hiztory channel? dose guyz had it hard as fuck, rowing their way to england cuz dey thought it was a land full of gold and bitches smh..